UFO Crashes (12)

UFO Crash Of March 1969 In USSA, Original Videos. 

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Location of UFO crash: Yekaterinburg, USSR

This is the Secret KGB UFO Files, The Russian Crash of 1969. Its real,
100% and I can find no flaws in it. Its an old film bought on the
blackmarket for 10K US and some how leaked to the public. I see
why. The video shows both an alien craft, and a blueish green alien
body that was recovered. This is enough to cause panic across the
planet if the news ever got hold of it. You ask, are aliens real? But its
probably the same questions they ask about us. I can vouch for this
evidence at being real. You have my word on it. 

This leads to another thing...the continuing of the Apollo

missions...covertly. NASA pretended to end the missions after Apollo
17, but they continued past 20. Russia was part of it. The NASA
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 symbol has both flags in a cooperation displayed in the Apollo 20
videos. Apollo 20 took place about 1974-1975. Just 4-5 years after
the UFO crash in the USSR. 

I remember talking to Willam Rutledge (astronaut on Apollo 20) on

Youtube messages, and he said there was a cigar UFO and a triangle
UFO in Deporte crater on our moon. They explored both. I had
doubts, but I was the first person to ever find the ship in Deporte
crater and report it to the public. William was very excited and didn't
expect such a photo existed, but he liked it when I told him about it.
He must have been about 77 when we spoke, but...may not be with
us anymore and stopped talking to anyone after his Youtube account
was hacked by the US government. 
Scott C. Waring
www.ufosightingsdaily.com

Report states:
The details of a Russian Crash on or about 1969 are sketchy and
somewhat suspect. This case comes from the so-called "Secret KGB
Files," which were reportedly smuggled out of the former Soviet
Union. Reportedly, $10,000 was paid for the information. The details
of these secret files were first offered to the general public on 9-13-
98 as part of a TNT special titled "The Secret UFO Files of the KGB."
The show featured extraordinary film and still photographs of the
UFO recovery, and also a portion of autopsy film on part of an alien
body. 

The event itself, according to the files, occurred in the state of

Sverdlovsky, which was formerly Yekatrinburg of the USSR. The
crash story follows a familiar pattern normally associated with this
type of report. The fiery crash of an unknown object occurred in
March 1969. The site was secured by the Russian military, and one
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 dead alien was found in the wreckage. The remains of the craft and
alien were brought to a secure location, and the alien body was
autopsied. Both still and moving pictures were taken of the craft, its
retrieval, and the alien autopsy. The autopsy shows only an alien
torso and arm. From the size of the body parts, the alien would have
been an extremely small being. 

The TNT special features Roger Moore, veteran actor and former
James Bond, who discusses other UFO events, along with interviews
with UFO experts, CIA agents, and other film. Probably the most
notable footage is from MIG gun cameras of confrontations with
UFOs. There have been only a few still frames of this footage in
America, and I have not been able as of this writing, 11-01-2002, to
obtain the videos. The show itself is mediocre, and its only
redeeming quality is the presentation of the UFO crash story.
Supposedly, the crash story was validated by secret KGB
documents. 

The footage at the crash site does seem to be authentic at least on

several points. The truck in the film is a circa 1950 model ZIS151,
which has not been used by the military for quite some time, and the
truck would have been difficult to find to stage a hoax with. Other
elements of the film do not exhibit any obvious signs of a hoax, as to
the movement of the soldiers, the timing of the film as to shadows,
and the UFO itself. 

There are also several documents shown to verify the event itself,
and an eyewitness to the event who swears that the recovery
mission did occur. The footage of the autopsy film shows personnel
without caps and gowns, which seemed odd to me at first, but after
some research I found that this was commonplace for that era in
Russia. 
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 The furnishings in the room are acceptable, and in Russia have
probably not changed much today. Three men in their 20's and 30's
are performing the procedure, and one woman is taking notes. The
note taker is identified as KGB stenographer O. A. Pshonikina. The
alien's torso and arm are lying together on the table as the autopsy is
performed, and there are documents shown to support the autopsy. 

Although the USA-Russia relationship is much improved over a few

years ago, it still lacks. Any information received is subject to
translation, and often times there are problems with interpretation. It
is sad there is not more cooperation between the two countries. The
case of the 1969 retrieval and autopsy are difficult to assess. Until
more information is uncovered, it will remain unsubstantiated. 
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The UFO Crash Of Virginia, Brazil Jan 20, 1996

Source: Press release by A.J. Gevaerd, Editor of UFO Magazine

(Brazil), June 12th, 1996
On January 20, Military forces captured two extraterrestrial creatures
still alive in Brazil. The capture occurred in neighboring areas of city
of Varginha, State of Minas Gerais, Central Brazil. The fact is to be
considered one of the most significant ever registered in this country
and in the entire world. Military authorities are keeping secret all
details of the operation, but some information has already leaked to
the UFO community due to the investigative job of Dr., Ubiraja
Franco Rodrigues and Vitorio Paccaccini who lives nearby and
recognized as serious and dedicated researchers. 
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 On the afternoon of January 20, about 3.30 PM local time, 3 young
girls named Liliane, Valquiria and Katia observed a strange creature
in a field of small bushes a few blocks from where they live. It was
Saturday and they were coming back from their jobs when, crossing
an empty area their attention was attracted by a strange being a few
meters away. The ET was kneeling and looked like it was hurt,
suffering some sort of pain. No UFO was ever seen. The girls
observed it for a few minutes and run away, afraid that they had just
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The three girls were extensively interrogated by above mentioned

researchers, leaving no doubt whatsoever about what happened.
Very simple kids, they described the ET's as being a dark brown
creature, with a small body of 4 - 5 feet in height, no hair at all, big
brown head, small neck. It also seemed to have some greasy, dark oil
on its skin. A strange odor was noticed by the mother of the girls,
when she went to the site. The head of the creature had 2 big red
eyes, no pupils, very small mouth and nose and - what is interesting
- 3 protuberances in the head. The girls described such
protuberances as horns. 

Following the leads, researcher Rodrigues and Pacaccini started

making inquiries everywhere in the town of Varginha, in order to
know if anybody else had seen the same creature. They found
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location and maybe other ET's in different locations. While
conducting their own investigations, both discovered that different
witnesses has seen army trucks and other military vehicle and
personnel that very morning of that day, a few blocks from the place
the girls saw the ET's. 

In trying to find out what the military were doing, Rodrigues and
Pacaccini came to meet a few soldiers and sergeants. One of them
decided to talk secretly about their mission, in a confidential taped
interview. This Sergeant confirmed that, about 9:00 AM, January 20.
the Fire Department of Varginha was required to capture a strange
animal in the area. When four fireman arrived in a truck in the place,
they noticed that it was not any strange animal at all, and reported
the fact to the Army Sergeant School Commander in neighboring city
of Tres Coracoes (about 10 miles east of Varginha) 

Army truck was sent to the place and both forces captured the
creature using nets and equipment regularly used to capture wild
animals. The ET was placed till alive in a box that was then covered
by resistant fabric. The box was placed on top of the truck, the
vehicle headed to the Army Sergeant School and all personnel
involved was ordered not to talk about it with anyone else "It was a
Secret Operation" told them the lieutenant-colonel Wanderley, who
commanded the operation. After such unusual, confidential report a
few other military decided to come forward and speak about the
captures as long as their identities were totally kept secret. They all
confirmed, on taped interviews, that a second creature (possibly the
same one seen by the girls that afternoon) was captured on the night
of January 20, by personnel from the Army and the Fire Department.
Details of such operation is fully known. This creature identical to the
first one, was taken to the Regional General Hospital of Varginha that
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 same night, stayed there for a few hours and then was transferred to
a better equipped facility, the Humanitas Hospital. 

A few nurses and personnel from Regional General Hospital had

confirmed some facts and they were all suppressed. Individuals who
had contacts with the second creature were advised to avoid press
and UFO Researchers and not to talk about it with anyone, not ever
their families or relations. AT the Humanities Hospital the second
creature was kept at least for 2 days and on the second night on
January 22nd a huge military operation took place to remove the
creature already dead. 

Interviews with some of the military who participated in this new

operation, removing the creature from the Humanitas Hospital,
declared that 3 Army trucks were used, each one driven by 2
different soldiers. It is believed that 3 trucks were used to remove
only one body in order to avoid the soldiers to know in which truck
would it be transported. The drivers and their follows couldn't see
the details of the operations, as they were kept outside the hospital
area. Military personnel from the Army Internal Intelligence (called
"S-2" in Brazil and extremely violent and repressive) were
responsible for getting the corpse from the interior of the hospital,
placing it in a box and then in one of the trucks. 

All 3 trucks then were taken to a military facility in Campinas, State of

Sao Paulo, about 200 miles from Varginha, in the middle of the night.
There, the corpse was removed to the University of Campinas , one
of the best institutions in the country. It is believed - and we already
have detailed information to be soon released that the ET body was
autopsied by Dr. Badan Palhares, worldwide acclaimed as one of the
best professionals in that area alive (he was the one who autopsied
German Nazi Mengele, about ten years ago) Palhares, as well as any
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operations. 

UFO researchers from all over the country have been helping closely
Rodrigues and Pacaccini, in order to discover each and every detail
of the capture of the two ET's, Media in Brazil has never been so
active and great majority of population believes that the case is real
and that the military and civil authorities involved are keeping the
facts secret. Many strange facts are happening simultaneously, such
as prison of soldiers, Sergeants being transferred at short notice etc.
The phones of many UFO researchers involved in the case are
confirmed to be tapped and a few threats have been made
anonymously. 

Up to now, almost all details of the whole operation are known to the
UFO researchers and a few can already been released. In a matter of
weeks, all information will be fully disclosed by the UFO researchers
involved, throughout the UFO Magazine, to the entire world. 

Everyday new pieces of this fantastic puzzle are being received by

researchers in many cities and more and more military personnel
have agreed to talk. Meanwhile, the region where Varginha is located,
in the South of State of Minas Gerais, is subject to one of the biggest
UFO waves ever registered, the huge UFO's in close range
observations, landings and contact 

A.J. GEVAERD, 
EDITOR AND DIRECTOR BRAZILIAN UFO MAGAZINE 
& BRAZILIAN CENTER for FLYING SAUCER RESEARCH.
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1978 UFO crash in Bolivia witnessed by thousands of eyewitnesses. 

Source: Michael Hesemann, 1998

On May 6, 1978, at about 4:15 p.m., something crashed into a
mountain near El Taire on the Bermejo River, the border between the
Bolivian province of Tarija and Argentina. Thousands of people saw
this happening and later described the object as being cylindrical in
shape with a flaming tail. It had caused a supersonic bang that was
heard up to 150 miles away and that cracked windowpanes as far
away as 30 miles in every direction. The next day, the papers were
speculating on what had come down in that godforsaken place. The
explanations ranged from meteorites to UFOs and belated reentry of
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witnesses. 

Then it was announced that the Argentinian authorities had sent the
20th unit of the border police to the area in question to look for
wreckage on their side of the border. The search in that mountainous
country could last for weeks, so swarms of reporters went to the
nearest big town, Aguas Blancas, to take up quarters there and await
further developments, as well as to interview eyewitnesses in the
town. And in fact, there were a number of witnesses who claimed to
have seen the object. Most of them described it as oval or cylindrical
and metallic. The army, too, seemed to be convinced that it was a
UFO. Corporal Natalio Farfan Ruiz, the commandant of a small
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 border police unit at the little village of La Marmora (800
inhabitants), confirmed the crash to Argentinian reporters saying: "It
was about 4:30 p.m. when a cylindrical object made the earth
tremble. Just imagine what would have happened if the UFO had
fallen on the houses!" Policeman Juan Hurtado had also seen what
had happened: "It looked like a gigantic wine container emitting a
trace of white smoke. I saw it clearly. It flew directly above my head. I
was on duty and at that moment was talking with three engineers
from the mine in La Paz, when we saw the object crashing into the El
Taire mountain. The impact was so strong that it threw me to the
ground. The earth trembled at that moment." 

Finally, the Bolivian Air Force sent three single-motored AT6

airplanes—a model from World War II—to the area and discovered
the crash site on the southern slope of the El Taire mountain.
Whereas the pilots found it impossible to land anywhere near it, the
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object had been found. As proof, they quoted the police chief of
Tarija: "Our men have discovered the object and inspected it, but
have received no instructions for further action. It is a dull metallic
cylinder twelve feet long with a few dents. No one knows what is
inside it, and we are awaiting the arrival of various technical
commissions. A NASA expert is also expected to arrive tomorrow
morning." 

As a matter of fact, no NASA expert came at Tarija.-Instead, two U.S.

Air Force officers, Col. Robert Simmons and Maj. John Heise arrived.
According to a newspaper, although these officers were officially on
leave, they had been instructed to take the object to the United
States in a Hercules C-130 transport machine, which was waiting for
them at La Paz. When other newspapers made inquiries at the
American Embassy regarding this secret mission of Simmons and
Heise they were met with a denial. Only two years later, 5 relevant
documents were released by the U.S. State Department: they
revealed that Simmons and Heise had been assigned to the military
attache of the U.S. Embassy in La Paz and did, in fact, fly to Tarija
accompanied by an officer of the Bolivian Air Force, in connection
with Project Moon Dust. 

The first of these documents was a telex sent by the U.S.

Ambassador in Bolivia, Paul H. Boeker, to the State Department. In
that, he quoted newspaper reports and requested the department
"to ask the relevant agencies whether they could explain what this
object could be," adding "during the last week, more and more UFO
reports are coming from this region." The answer was a telex
classified "secret" dated May 18 in which the U.S. Secretary of State
Cyrus Vance personally declared: "Preliminary information has been
checked with appropriate government agencies. No direct
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earth's atmosphere near May 6 can be made. However we are
continuing to examine any possibilities." 

He then referred the embassy to "State aerogram A-6343" of July

26, 1973, classified 'Secret,' "which provides background information
and guidance for dealing with space objects. In particular any
information pertaining to the pre-impact observations, direction of
trajectory, number of objects observed, time of impact and detailed
description, including any markings would be helpful." The next
document was a "Moon Dust Message" of the office of the U.S.
military attache, dated May 24, addressed to the Division for Foreign
Technologies at the Wright Patterson Air Force Base and the
headquarters of the U.S. Air Force at the Pentagon, classified as
"confidential NOFORN (No Forwarding To Foreign Nationals)." Under
reference Moon Dust, the military attache at La Paz reported that
"they had taken pains to verify the press reports. " In addition to that,
they had asked the general staff of the Bolivian Air Force and the
chiefs of the Bolivian Army who had declared—apparently after a first
unsuccessful attempt— "we have sent search troops to the area in
question but have found nothing. " The army came to the conclusion
that there could have been an object there, or maybe not, but to date
they had found nothing. The attache added that he would send two
officials to Tarija and promised, "We will keep you informed if
anything turns up. " These "two officials," we can assume, were
Simmons and Heise. 

Regrettably, no further reports concerning the Simmons-Heise

expedition were released and, to get a picture of what happened, we
are forced to rely on reports in the Argentinian press. Apparently,
however, nobody came to the conclusion that a meteorite had hit the
earth. At the world-famous Smithsonian Institution there is a data
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track of every volcanic eruption, every earthquake and every
meteorite collision since 1973 with painstaking accuracy. The data
bank reveals no mention of a meteorite falling during May 1978 at the
Bolivian-Argentinian border. The Air Force documents reveal that the
1127th field activities group, which coordinated Project Moon Dust,
was interested in another task besides the recoveiy of UFO wrecks
and other space objects, represented by the code name HUMINT.
This code name, short for Human Intelligence, means the collection
of information from human sources through clandestine undercover
methods—in contrast to interrogations, reading through files and
correspondence, etc. In other words, it meant the collection of
information about UFOs from reliable sources through a game of
deceit. The method which was chosen to achieve HUMINTs goals
was so bizarre that nobody outside the UFO community would
believe it. It was the birth of the "Men In Black," subject of a
Hollywood blockbuster movie in 1997.

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The Shag Harbour UFO Incident

Source: MUFON Canada 

The Shag Harbour Incident 

One of the most extraordinary, UFO encounters of the twentieth

century occurred in the tiny fishing community of Shag Harbor on
the southern tip of Nova Scotia. This event, while relatively obscure
in the sense of public awareness, is one of the most thoroughly and
officially documented UFO encounters of the last 30 years, and is
easily as sensational and as mystifying as the famous Roswell
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In the evening skies of October 4, 1967 several residents of the

village first noticed a rather strange grouping of orange lights.
Several eyewitness accounts indicate that there were four orange
lights that evening. Five of these witnesses included a group of
teenagers who watched these lights flash in sequence for several
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angle toward the water's surface. 

To the amazement of the teens, and other eyewitnesses, on hitting

the water’s surface the lights did not immediately disappear beneath
the gentle swells, but seemed to float on the surface, approximately
one-half mile from the shore. The initial panicked reaction of the
observers was that they were witnessing the emergency ditching or
crash of an airplane. The first report phoned into the RCMP (Royal
Canadian Mounted Police) in Barrington, came from a young
fisherman who told them that an airliner had gone into the bay. The
first reaction by the police dispatcher was that the young man had
been drinking, however after an immediate rash of 10 additional calls
reporting the incident, the police quickly re-contacted the young
fisherman for location details. 

Within the same time period however, Constable Ron Pound of the
RCMP was on patrol on Highway 3, heading toward Shag Harbor, and
had been observing the strange lights as he increased his speed
toward the incident. Constable Pound’s report was that he believed
that the four lights were coming from a single aircraft, that he
estimated to be about 60 feet long. 
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other officers, Police Corporal Victor Werbieki, and Constable Ron
O'Brien. Additionally, several of the fishing village’s residents stood
on the shore watching and questioning what to do next. According to
Constable Pound and the other officers, the orange lights slowly
changed to yellow, and the object appeared to move slowly across
the surface of the water, leaving a yellowish foam in it's wake. By this
time no fewer than 30 witnesses from various vantage points,
watched as the object slowly drifted further from shore, all would
later describe the object as about 60 feet long, 10 or so feet high and
dome shaped. 

After about five minutes, the object started to sink beneath the icy
North Atlantic waves. A few of the eyewitnesses reported hearing a
"whooshing" noise. While the RCMP had already been in
communication with the Canadian Cost Guard and Cutter 101 was on
the way, two of the RCMP officers and a few local fisherman
hurriedly launched their boats to speed to the rescue of any
survivors. As the small boats, and Cutter 101 reached the location,
the lights were no longer visible but they found themselves sailing
through a thick yellow foam, that indicated that something had
submerged. (The fisherman report that the foam was not sea foam,
and looked like nothing they had ever seen. In fact most were
unnerved by the fact that they had to sail through it to look for
survivors.) 
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 After several hours of searching nothing was found and the search
was called off at approximately 3:00 am. Both the NORAD and the
Rescue Coordination Center in Halifax had been contacted by the
RCMP and found that there had been no reports that evening of
missing aircraft, either civilian or military. 

On October 5th (the following day), the Rescue Coordination Center

filed a report with the Canadian Forces Headquarters in Ottawa. This
report stated that something had crashed into the water in Shag
Harbor, but the object was of "unknown origin." The Canadian
Forces Headquarters dispatched the HMCS Granby to Shag Harbor
crash site, and using advanced detection equipment and specially
trained divers from the Navy and the RCMP, the Canadian military
systematically searched the sea floor for several days, and found
nothing. 
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recovered, and no additional leads. 

For a few years the story kicked around in the local papers. From
time-to-time various theories and intriguing rumors emerged about
Russian spacecraft, or Russian submarines, and an American follow-
up investigation. Then the story simply faded into obscurity. 

That is, until 1993 when the Shag Harbor incident once again was
brought to the attention of the public. 

This was due to the dedicated investigative efforts of two men who
are *MUFON investigators. Chris Styles, assisted by Doug Ledger,
using public records such as newspaper clippings, and police reports
were able to track down and interview many of the eyewitnesses and
individuals involved in the Shag Harbor sighting, the rescue attempt,
and in the subsequent investigation. Through their work, some
extremely compelling clues and amazing new insights were
uncovered. 

In interviews with divers, and crew members from the HMCS Granby
they discovered some startling information. The object that dove into
the waters off of Shag Harbor had been tracked, and it had actually
traveled underwater for a distance of about 25 miles to a place called
Government Point. In the 1960’s the U.S. had maintained a small but
technically advanced military base at Government Point, managing a
Magnetic Anomaly Detection system (MAD grid) for the purpose of
detecting and tracking submarines in the North Atlantic using . 

The U.S. military had most definitely detected the object on its
sensitive tracking equipment. Naval vessels were dispatched and
positioned over the unidentified object, where it had stopped. After 3
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military was planning to initiate an investigative salvage operation. As
the Navy waited and planned, the detection equipment picked up
another object moving in, and to the amazement of all those
involved, joined the first object on the ocean floor. The speculation at
the time, was that the second UFO (I guess officially now an
Underwater Flying Object) was there to render aid to the first object. 

Not fully comprehending what they were dealing with the Navy
decided it was best to standby and observe. For nearly a week the
Navy vessels held their position over the UFOs. The detection base
however, located a Russian submarine that had entered Canadian
waters to the north, so several of the vessels had to be pulled off
target to sail north to investigate. Under the cover of this new activity
on the surface, both UFOs made their move, accelerating
underwater toward the Gulf of Maine. The remaining Navy vessels
pursued them toward the United States, but the objects continued to
distance themselves from their trackers. To the astonishment of the
pursuers, both of the objects broke to the surface and shot skyward
to vanish within seconds. 

According to the researchers, while these observations were well

corroborated by many credible eye witnesses, these accounts were
given "Off the Record" by military, ex-military, and civilian personnel
who fear harassment, ridicule, or loss of pension. So as the saying
goes, "only the names have been changed to protect the innocent." 

Clearly, a series of very extraordinary, and still unexplained UFO

encounters, involving the navies of two countries and NORAD,
occurred at Shag Harbor on October 4th 1967, and in the following
week in the deep waters off of the cost of Maine. 
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 The Kecksburg UFO Crash of Dec 9, 1965

Source: Stan Gordon 

[go to original source]
"The Kecksburg, PA UFO Crash Incident" 
Stan Gordon 

It was December 9,1965, that an event occurred about 40 miles from

Pittsburgh in a rural area of western Pennsylvania, that even now
remains controversial for some, and mysterious to others. At the time
many people saw a brilliant object moving across the sky. The news
media focused on a young boy, who while playing outside, said he
saw an object fall from the sky into some nearby woods. The media
pursued his story since there were numerous accounts from others,
that an aerial object was seen over a large area including many
reports from the greater Pittsburgh area. Besides the police
authorities, various newspapers, and radio and tv stations around
Pittsburgh, had their phone lines jammed with calls about the object
in the sky. Coincidentally, author Frank Edwards, who had written
some popular books on UFO's, was a guest on a KDKA radio talk
show in Pittsburgh that evening, hosted by the late Mike Levine. 
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saw the object go down into the woods that day have been located.
It has been stated that moments after the object fell, blue smoke
rose up among the trees, but dissipated quickly. Many people say
that the military, including members of the Army and Air Force,
began to arrive in the area around the village of Keeksburg within a
few hours after the reported landing. During the evening, reporters
from numerous media sources went to Kecksburg to investigate the
event. The area around the alleged impact site was cordoned off,
and a search for the object was conducted in the woods. Neither
civilians nor reporters were able to get near the spot where the
object had reportedly fallen. Hundreds of spectators looked on from
a narrow country road which circled around the area, unaware that
the object appears to have fallen on the opposite side of the woods. 
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they couldn't see the object. A few curious folks tried to sneak down
into the woods, and later told me that they were tuned back by the
military. Late that night, others say they observed a military flatbed
tractor-trailer truck, carrying a large tarpaulin covered object, leaving
the area at a high rate of speed. Reporters are among the many
witnesses who verify that they saw military personnel in the
Kecksburg area that night. The front page of the Greensburg, PA
Tribune-Review county edition dated December 10, 1965, ran the
headlines "Unidentified Flying Object Falls Near Kecksburg" and
"Army Ropes Off Area." The city edition of the same paper however,
on the same day ran the headline "Searchers Fail To Find Object."
Officially, no object was found in the woods by searchers. It was
suggested that the most likely explanation was that the brilliant
object in the sky was a meteor. But word that something was
removed from the site by the military that night, quickly circulated
around the county. The Kecksburg incident remained a topic for area
radio talk shows for years as it does today. As the years passed, I
would receive various accounts from sources who claimed
knowledge of the event. Many of those involved with the incident
even today, wish to remain anonymous. Others have gone public and
stand by their accounts. Some have faced personal attacks and
ridicule. Many important witnesses have passed away. 
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 What we now know is that there are individuals who say that they
went down into the woods that December day in 1965, before the
military arrived, and came across upon a large metallic acorn shaped
object partially buried in the ground. The device was large enough
for a man to stand inside of it. The object was a bronze-gold color,
and appeared to be one solid piece of metal, displaying no rivets or
seams. At the back of the acorn shape was what witness Jim
Romansky calls the bumper area. 

Upon this area were unusual markings that Romansky says looked
similar to ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. Romansky who has been a
machinist for many years, says the object itself, looked as though it
had been made from liquid metal and poured into a big mold. Since
the object was impacted in the ground, the bottom portion was not
visible, but what could be seen appeared well intact. The late John
Murphy, was the new director of WHJB radio in Greensburg at the
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 time, and is believed to have been the first reporter on the scene. His
former wife says that she was in radio contact with him from the site
that day, and that he told her that he went down into the woods and
saw the object. Various informants have approached me with
information. Some of these were people who had military or
government affiliation and wish not to be identified at this time.
Some information is expected to be revealed in the future, when
these sources feel that they are safe to disclose what they know. 

I have also received anonymous tips that pointed me in the right

direction which helped to uncover other details. Before Unsolved
Mysteries broadcast their story about Kecksburg in 1990, 1 was
contacted by a former Air Force security policeman who told me that
he was among the unit that guarded the object from PA, when it
arrived in the early morning hours of December 10, 1965 at
Lockbourne Air Force near Columbus, Ohio. He remembers extreme
security measures at the time, and says that the object was only a
the base for a short time, and then continued on to Wright-Patterson
Air Force base near Dayton, Ohio. 

We later learned that the object was allegedly sealed up inside a

building at that base. After years of searching for government
documents relating to this event, the only official record located was
in the Air Force Project Blue Book files. Included in the report it was
stated "A further call was made to the Oakdale Radar site in
Pennsylvania. A three man team has been dispatched to Acme
[Some residents not far from the site have an Acme mailing address]
to investigate and pick up an object that started a fire." While the
report shows a lot of interest from various agencies concerning the
aerial object, the report also indicates that the search found nothing.
I have learned a lot about the Kecksburg case over the years, yet
there remain many unanswered questions. I surely don't have all of
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 the answers. 

Based on the accounts of multitudes of eyewitnesses which I have

interviewed, I am convinced that an object did fall from the sky and
apparently was removed by the military. Other witnesses say they
saw NASA personnel at the scene that night also involved in the
search. Many have asked me what I believe that the object was, and
my reply still is "I don't know." As I have stated in the past, the two
most likely possibilities are (1) a highly advanced man-made space
probe with some reentry control capability (2) an extraterrestrial
spacecraft. It has been confirmed that a faulty Soviet Venus probe
identified as Kosmos 96, reentered in Canada on the same date, but
at about 3:18 A.M. The sightings around Kecksburg occurred at
about 4:47 P.M. many hours later. The Russian's have told me that
Kosmos 96 was not the source of what fell that day. 

Other researchers have provided me with interesting but unverifiable

information, that they have talked with former NASA sources who
claimed to have examined the object which fell in PA, and
determined it to be Soviet in origin. I have also talked with two former
military men who are unknown to each other, that told me that during
different years, and at different installations, they saw the recovery
report on the Kecksburg object, and both said the report indicated
that the object was extraterrestrial. From what the observers tell us,
the object whatever it was, appeared to be slowing down a few miles
before it impacted. During it's flight, it appears to have made some
turns, and those who saw the object drop from the sky, say it was
moving quite slowly as it moved towards the woods. This might
account for the good condition of the object itself, and the little
damage at the impact site, except for trees which were reportedly
knocked down. One question we must ask is what was it that fell
which was so important that it caused the military to act the way
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 they did at the scene? Various witnesses have now gone public
confirming that armed solders were around the village, and were
preventing anyone from trespassing near the crash site. Jerry
Betters, a popular jazz musician from Pittsburgh, has gone public
and told his story that soldiers aimed rifles at him and his friends,
ordering them from a back road, as an Army flat bed tractor-trailer
with an acorn-shaped object on board, was making it's way up from
a field. More recently, a prominent businessman contacted me and
told me how he and his friends, then teenagers in 1965, tried to get
near the site and were stopped my military personnel. He was
frightened at the time of the experience, he thought the soldier was
going to shoot him. Would armed soldiers respond to the scene of a
meteorite crash? Who issued the orders for such an operation to
take place?

Some of you are aware that earlier this year, I released a 92 minute
video documentary on the incident called "Kecksburg The Untold
Story" which I produced at my own expense. Many key witnesses are
getting up in years, and some are not in good health. This was an
opportunity for those involved to tell their own experiences about
what occurred. For the first time some new and startling information
is revealed about what allegedly occurred. Some of these people
reveal details which strongly suggests a coverup. Also included in
the video, are audio excerpts from the original 1965 WHJB radio
broadcast "Object In The Woods." One man details his claim of
seeing a partially covered body inside a building at Wright-Patterson,
at the same time the Kecksburg object was being examined. 

This case is much to involved to cover here in detail. One good

source of information on the case can be found in Kevin Randle's
book "A History of UFO Crashes." The Kecksburg mystery remains.
Was the object a man made space device or did we receive a visitor
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 from outside of our world? Recently while visiting an area business, a
worker recognized me and asked about the Kecksburg case. He told
me that he has had an interest in the incident for years since he had
a relative who worked at the pentagon at the time, and this relative
had made a special trip to this area to investigate that matter. When
this person asked his relative about what had happened, he refused
to give any details, but his words were remembered "There was more
to it then you'll ever know." I have no doubt that there are other
individuals who have important information on this case. It's time
that the truth is revealed, regardless of what the source of the object
was. It's been 33 years, it's time to break the silence. 

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The Ubatuba, Brazil Fragments of Sept 1957

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 Source: Billy Booth, About.com
Summary: On September 14, 1957, Ibrahim Sued, a columnist for the
Rio de Janeiro newspaper O Globo, printed a letter which he had
received, concerning a UFO incident. Accompanying the letter were
three small pieces of white metal. Thus was ushered in one of the
most controversial of all physical-evidence cases. The writer of the
letter described an event in which a "flying disk" exploded over the
beach at Ubatuba, in Sao Paulo Province. 

"Rained Down" from Exploding Disc: Some of the metal, which had
"rained down" from the exploding disk, was collected, and three
small pieces were included in the letter to Sued. Unfortunately, the
signature on the letter was illegible. Furthermore, the identity of all
witnesses to the original seaside event at Ubatuba remains unknown,
despite extensive searches by the Brazilian representative of APRO,
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 Dr. Olavo FONTES. This lack of witnesses is one of the greatest
weaknesses of the Ubatuba case. 

Two Separate Incidents: This piece of metal was picked up after a

UFO explosion over Toninha's Beach, in Ubatuba, Sao Paula State,
Brazil, in 1957. This sample was analyzed and the results showed a
99.99% pure magnesium. This other piece fell down from one of the
three UFO's that had flown over the city of Caminas, Sao Paulo
State, Brazil, on December, 1954. Tests proved the material to be
88.91% pure tin. 

Analysis of Fragments: Mr. Sued gave all three pieces of metal to Dr.
Fontes, who in turn had one of them analyzed at the Mineral
Production Laboratory of the Department of Mineral Production in
the Brazilian Ministry of Agriculture. Dr. Fontes personally delivered
the samples to the chief chemist, Dr. Fiegl, an internationally known
specialist. A qualitative, acid test was first made on a small chip,
which showed that the fragments were truly metallic. 

Only Magnesium: One of the original fragments, designated Sample

No.1 by Dr. Fontes, was subdivided into several pieces and two of the
pieces were submitted to the Spectrographic Section of the Mineral
Production Laboratory Semi-Quantitative Emmission
Spectrochemical Analysis. One of the pieces was analyzed by Dr.
Luisa Maria A. Barbosa. The analysis surprisingly revealed that the
sample contained only the element magnesium. 

First Test Validated: A second fragment of Sample No.1 was

submitted to a separate spectrographic analysis by Mr. Elson Teixeira
of the Mineral Production Laboratory. Mr. Teixeira confirmed Dr.
Barbosa's finding that Sample No.1 was pure magnesium. Further
tests were run on fragments of Sample No. 1. These included Debye-
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 Scherrer-Hull powder pattern X-ray diffraction analysis, density
measurement, and radiation tests. 

Not Made on Earth: The significance of Dr. Barbosa's and Mr.

Teixeira's findings is that it is impossible to produce any element,
terrestrially, that is absolutely spectrographically pure. These results,
therefore, are often cited by proponents of UFO extraterrestrial
existence as proof that the Ubatuba material must be
EXTRATERRESTRIAL. Unfortunately, this supposition cannot be
proven, due to the lack of any further Sample No.1 fragments for
verification analysis. 

More Witnesses Needed: The Ubatuba incident is certainly in need

of futher verification, especially the details of the UFO incident itself.
All we have is the word of one anonymous person who wrote the
letter received by a newspaper. The case itself is dated by the
receipt of the letter, and not the incident of the crash, so there are no
first hand witnesses to the UFO incident itself.
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Tomato Man Photographs of Alien Body and the Laredo, Texas Crash
of July 7, 1948 
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 TOMATO MAN REVISITED: The Alleged Alien Body Photographs 
by Ron Schaffner 

INTRODUCTION 

Generally, the history of UFO reportage is not a good one. All too
often, researchers are far too eager to latch onto a good story, to
attach themselves to a "major" case, that important details are not
assessed and evidentiary credibility is not addressed. Perhaps the
best example of this is Frank Scully's Behind the Flying Saucers.
Intrigued by the story of a crashed saucer, Scully neglected to check
his sources, a mistake that came back to haunt him. J.P. Cahn of the
San Francisco Chronicle did check into Scully's sources and found
them to be con men. Scully was the victim of a hoax. 

Consequently, crashed UFO stories are recycled down to succeeding

generations of Ufologists. Many of these alleged tales are nothing
more than "spin-offs" of previous accounts. When one considers the
amount of disinformation spread over the years, it becomes difficult
to separate fact from fiction. 

Stories, such as Roswell and Aztec have graced the world with
accounts of aliens and conspiracies within the United States
government. It is not this writer's intent to prove nor disprove these
particular stories. Rather, it is to show the reader that with a little
imagination a hoax can be perpetrated using information from well
publicized cases and. 

The following report is well known within the circle of senior

Ufologists. Therefore, it is recommended to the freshman Ufologist
who may desire to seek the truth in a sometimes not-so-truthful
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 subject. 

BACKGROUND 

The following information was relayed to the former Ohio UFO

Investigators League (OUFOIL) by Willard McIntyre who was involved
with a group calling itself the Mutual Anomaly Research Center and
Evaluation Network (MARCEN). At that time, this author was the
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 Investigations Director for OUFOIL. This information exchange
occurred during the years of 1979 and 1981. 

Mr. McIntyre claimed to have corresponded with a gentleman in

Tennessee in December, 1978. This unnamed source sent him an
8X10 glossy print of the charred remains of a head and torso, which
he claimed were extraterrestrial. McIntyre wrote back saying that he
thought the photo represented a light aircraft crash and its burned
pilot. 

In early January, 1979, this alleged source wrote back and explained
in detail a story of a clandestine operation executed on July 7, 1948,
to document the crash of a UFO and its dead occupant . By
November of 1979, the original negative was mailed to McIntyre.
Another negative was shipped the following May showing a burned
body lying in vegetation on a hillside. 

The source was concerned for possible prosecution of the

government, so it was agreed that he would receive full
confidentiality. Allegedly, McIntyre checked out his credentials and
everything appeared in order. 
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 McIntyre advised us that he sent the original negatives to Eastman
Kodak for analysis: 

"The conclusion of Eastman Kodak, which we initially felt was of

dubious value because of the methodology used, pointed to a
negative processed at least thirty years previously. Micro
densitometer traces of the negative showed us that no deliberated
hoaxing had been done, at least photographically, in the production
of the negative." 

Negatives were also mailed to William Spaulding of Ground Saucer

Watch (GSW). This organization speculate that the pictures
represented the remains of a dead monkey used in the V-2 rocket
experiments of the 1940s and ‘50s. (1) 
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 ORIGINIAL CLAIMS 

The source said that as a young Naval photographer in 1948, he was

flown to Mexico to document the crash of 90-foot diameter "flying
saucer" and its dead pilot. The photographer claimed he was
assigned to White Sands, New Mexico. Prior to the incident, he
visited atomic test sites and photographed the after affects of the
blasts. 

Meanwhile, on July 7 at approximately 1322 hours, the Distant Early

Warning [DEW] line early warning radar was tracking an object
moving at speeds in excess of 2,000 mph when it flew over
Washington state heading southeast. Upon hearing about the
bogey's flight path, two fighter pilots out of Dias Air Base in Texas
path cruised into position over Albuquerque to identify or intercept
the object. 

As the two F-94's approached the UFO, it made a 90 degree angle

turn towards eastern Texas without apparently decreasing in speed.
At 1410 hours, other pilots in pursuit said the object was slowing
down and was wobbling in flight. By 1429 hours, the object
disappeared from all radar screens. Using triangulation from all the
radar installations, it was determined that the object must have went
down in Mexico approximately 30 miles south of Laredo, Texas. 

After notifying the Mexican authorities, Army and Air Force units
were rushed to the crash site, arriving at 1830 hours. The
commander phoned Washington and was told that a photographic
team would be airlifted to the site. McIntyre's source claimed to be
one of those photographers. They were told that they would be
going to a top secret airplane crash. 
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 The team was picked up by an Army L-19 Bird Dog at 2130 hours.
The source explained that it was quite uncomfortable with five team
members and their equipment in such a small plane. They arrived at
the designated site at 0215 hours. The plane circled the area and
observed a disc shaped craft still smoldering on a heavily vegetated
hill. 

There was one body found within the craft. The photographers
managed to get a series of pictures even though there was intense
heat. When the object cooled down, the body was removed to a hill
side and another series of pictures were taken. 

The body was said to be 4 feet 6 inches long with a head extremely
large compared to the rest of the torso. The eyes were gone and
there were no visible ears, nose or lips with just a slit without were
teeth and a tongue would be. The arms appeared much longer than
a human and the hands had four claw-like appendages. 

The source went on to explain that the craft appeared as unusual,

but the debris looked as if it was "earthly" in origin. There was an
absence of any wiring, rubber, glass, plastic, wood, or paper. The
structures were bound by normal looking bolts, but could not be
unscrewed with conventional tools. Eventually, they were chiseled
off. The metal was very hard. Diamond drills and saws were used for
disassembly. Another metal was discovered which seemed to be a
lighter grade and cutting torches were used. 

Army doctors arrived on July 8 and preformed an examination of the

body. They could not find any reproductive organs. They compared
the gray skin to the texture of a human female breast. The bone
structure was more complicated than a human and no muscle fiber
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We are also told that a metallurgist was brought in to determine the

alloy of the object. He believed this alloy had a honey combed
crystalline structure unlike anything know in "earthy" technology. He
thought that it could be silicon based. 

The entire hill side and valley below were littered with foil fragment;
very much like cigarette packages, only harder. The material could
not be bent. All the fragments were confiscated by the military. 

At 1300 hours, the following day, a C-47 arrived and the body was
shipped to an origin unknown to the source. The remaining wreckage
was loaded on US and Mexican trucks which headed in the direction
of Laredo, Texas. The source explained that he was not told the
destination. 

The source returned to White Sands and began work on the

photographic evidence with a team of other experts. Allegedly, they
were constantly watched by Marine security. The mysterious
Commander returned to Washington never to be seen again. 

A few years later, the source removed 40 negatives from the file and
made duplicates and placed the originals back. 

OUFOIL's INVESTIGATION 

In 1981, McIntyre and Dennis Pilichis (The UFO Information Network ;

UFOIN) wrote a booklet entitled: "Alien Body Photos: An Updated
Report". Although OUFOIL's name was represented, we had no
contribution what so ever to its production. Some of our members
believed the photos to be authentic, However the majority, like
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 myself had more questions and became skeptical of the entire story.
After all, we could only take McIntyre's story at face value. When we
questioned him about certain aspects of the story, he stalled and
would not forward us any documentation that he claimed to have. It
was at this point where we decided to begin our own independent
investigation into the matter. 

We attacked this problem by using the correct investigative

methodology: Eliminating all possible prosaic explanations first. 

We asked ourselves, "Was McIntyre correct when he stated that he

originally believed the photos were of a crashed plane and its pilot?"
We began with this premise. 

Our first procedure was to verify that Kodak actually did the photo
analysis that Mr. McIntrye claimed. A letter was sent to Eastman
Kodak along with a copy of the prints. We asked for documentation
regarding the quality of the print, time frames and the person's name
and title who supposedly did the analysis. 

We were not surprised when the response came back that Kodak
was not aware of any photo work done on the pictures enclosed.
Furthermore, their representative said that Kodak would not preform
any type of testing that we desired for authenticity. (2) 

The second step in our investigations led us to the Burns Institute (

Shriners Hospital for Crippled Children, Cincinnati, Ohio) This
hospital is world known for its work with burned patients. We
interviewed the Chief of Staff and allowed him to study the
photographs. It was his expert opinion that the photos represented
an incinerated body of a human. The swelling of the head would be
caused by extreme heat flash. (3) 
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 It became apparent to us that these photographs did not depict an
extraterrestrial. We decided to probe a little deeper into the story.
After all, if the pictures were a deception, then the scenario
surrounding them would also have suspicions. 

Consider the following: 

White Sands Proving Grounds, New Mexico informed us that after a

search for information, they had no knowledge of any air disaster on
the dates forwarded. In addition, they said that they did not
investigate such incidents and there are no photographic teams
assigned to the base.(4) 

We conducted a mailing to all newspapers in the region to find out if

they had any records of an air disaster within a three month time
span. All that replied said they had no records of any such event
occurring. 

The source said that the object was tracked by the DEW radar
system. The Distant Early Warning (DEW) is a series of radar
installations to provide a warning of enemy attack by air. The project
began its planning stages in 1946. Construction did not begin until
1955 and it finally became operational in 1957. If the alleged source
was in the military as described, the he would have known that this
was erroneous. Is it is possible that the person behind this hoaxed
failed to research the DEW Line radar systems?(5) 

We are told that two F-94 fighter pilots were scrambled out of Dias
Air Base to intercept the object. This is quite an achievement
considering that the F-94 didn't fly until 1949 as prototypes. The Air
Force didn't fly them until 1950. (6) 
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 Furthermore, there wasn't an operational Dias Air Base in 1948. That
location would have been Abilene Army Airfield and it was
deactivated in 1945. When reactivated in 1956, the base was called
Dyess AFB; not Dias. (7) 

The source stated that his team was picked up by a U.S. Army L-19
"Bird Dog" and flown to the site. He described his trip as being
uncomfortable with five people and equipment being cramped into
this small plane. Unfortunately, the story does not match up to
historical fact. 

This plane was developed for the U.S. Army as a light

reconnaissance aircraft. The first contract for these planes were in
1950. Production was completed on October 7, 1954 and these
planes are still in use. They cannot accommodate more than two
individuals and there is no room for cargo space. (8) 

With regard to the absence of wire and the metals, consider the
following points: 

1. Upon closer examination of photo #1, what appears to be two

conductor cable, probably "earthly" in origin, can be seen.. 

2. Near the right shoulder we find the frames of some type of

eyeglasses. It was our opinion that this was the remains of flight
glasses used by pilots. 

3. Close scrutiny of the structural remains look man-made. You can

see a six-sided hex nut, tubular piping, angle iron and many welded
areas. The welds conform to all standard procedures indicative of
that time. 
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 Photograph #2 was cropped to reserve web space. The original
picture we have on file shows what appears to be three individuals
standing behind the body. The legs of the person you are seeing is
definitely military since his fatigues are bloused above his field boots.
The others seem to be wearing raincoats. If one of these persons is
an Officer, he is wearing low quarters and a class "A" uniform
(Greens). According to the Air Force, the class "A" uniform with the
black stripe down the side of the pants did not come into use until
1957. This uniform is only worn during the winter months. (9) 

We have no way to prove nor disprove the allegations made about

the physical make up of the "aliens" and their craft. However, it
should be noted that the basic scenario is very similar to other
crashed saucer stories. The so-called field examinations of the craft
and body bear similarities to Roswell, Aztec, and countless other
retrieval stories. For instance, this is not the first time that Ufology
was told of "honeycombed" material. The large head is also
consistent with the stories we all have heard up to present time. 

The flight path of the craft is probably the largest gaff in the entire
scenario. If one takes all the information given and does some simple
calculations, the object should have crashed in Oklahoma or Kansas.
In order to reach Mexico, our ‘spaceship' would have had to make
another 90 degree turn and fly south by southwest. Mr. McIntyre told
other researchers that he knew the flight path was off. Why wasn't
this mentioned in the previous investigations? (10) 

CONCLUSIONS 

You have been presented with an extraordinary claim. In order to

quantify such statements, there needs to be undisputable proof that
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 such an event took place. This applies to both the true believer and
debunker. It is far better to be cautious with such claims before any
endorsement. Simply put, it's a correct procedure to fully investigate
a report to its logical conclusion before writing any report. 

The above case comes down to just two possibilities. Either the claim
is valid as an extraordinary event, or it is a hoax. The simpler
explanation clearly favors this to be a hoax. 

One could argue that ET uses some of the same hardware as

"Earthlings." Maybe you are thinking, "Why go through all this
trouble with a hoax?" or, perhaps, "The source was confused on
some of the finer details." I could also interject that maybe there is a
clandestine movement within the United States to cover-up this
episode. Perhaps this is disinformation, a ruse to hide facts regarding
another covert operation. As I previously stated, I cannot prove nor
disprove these statements. 

What we will say is that the above incident could not have happened
with the information given. Our investigations indicate this to my
satisfaction. This was a photograph of a light aircraft crash and its
dead pilot. Whether it was military or not is still an issue open for
debate. 

This report is meant to be more of an educational tool for

researchers. In the future, you may be presented with a similar
account. As an objective investigator, you should pursue every
avenue at your disposal, much like we did. Bear in mind, that not all
the crash saucer stories have this many errors. It may take time to
weed out all the evidence, pro or con. After all, the first step to
defining Ufology as a worthy study is to collect all the trash and
dump it from the database. 
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Note: Robert Easley is credited with coining the term "Tomato Man". 

References: 

1. GSW stated in their report that they felt the photographs

represented a misinterpretation of a laboratory monkey from a V-2
rocket test failure. Their hypothesis does have merit for other UFO
crashes, but we felt it was not applicable to the instant case. OUFOIL
Investigative Report; 1982; Charles Wilhelm, Editor. 

2. Letter from Eastman Kodak to Ron Schaffner dated January 26,

1981. 

3. Letter from Shriners Hospital for Crippled Children to Earl Jones

dated April 6, 1981 

4. Letters from White Sands to Charles Wilhelm dated February 2

and 17, 1981 

5. History of the DEW Line 1946-1964; K4112 AFSHRC/HD, Maxwell

AFB. 

6. Letter and information packet sent to Charles Wilhelm from

Lockheed Corporation dated April 6, 1981. 

7. USAF Historical Division, Maxwell AFB, AL. 36112 

8. Department of the Army; The Center of Military History and

Cessna Aircraft Corporation. 
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10. Letter from Willard McIntyre to Lee Graham dated June 3, 1981 

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Aztec, New Mexico UFO Crash Recovery of 1948

THE AZTEC RECOVERY 1948 

It was the columnist Frank Scully who first alerted the world to
sensational stories of recovered flying saucers and little men in his
best-selling book Behind the Flying Saucers published in 1950.
Scully claimed that up to that time there had been four such
recoveries, one of which was alleged to have taken place around
Aztec, New Mexico, when sixteen humanoid bodies were recovered
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 together with their undamaged craft. According to Scully's
informants, the disk that landed near Aztec was 99.99 feet in
diameter, its exterior made of a light metal resembling aluminum but
so durable that no amount of heat (up to 10,000 degrees was
applied) or diamond-tipped drill had the slightest effect. The disk
apparently incorporated large rings of metal which revolved around a
central, stabilized cabin, using an unfamiliar gear ratio. There were
no rivets, bolts, screws or signs of welding. Investigators were
eventually able to gain entry. Scully was told, because of a fracture in
one of the portholes, which they enlarged, revealing a knob inside
the cabin which when pushed (with a pole) caused a hidden door to
open. Sixteen small humanoids, ranging in height from 36 to 42
inches, were supposedly found dead inside the cabin, their bodies
charred to a dark brown color. Scully was told that the craft landed
undamaged, having landed under its own guidance. The craft was
eventually dismantled, the investigators having discovered that it
was manufactured in segments which fitted in grooves and were
pinned together around the base. The complete cabin section,
measuring 18 feet in diameter was lifted out of the base of the
saucer, around which was a gear that fitted a gear on the cabin.
These segments, together with the bodies, were then transported to
Wright Field (Wright Patterson AFB). Some of the bodies were later
dissected and examined by the Air Force, and were found to be
similar in all respects to human beings, with the exception of their
teeth, which were perfect. 

New Supportive Evidence? 

According to important information published by William Steinman in

1987 there is a large grain of truth in the Aztec story, and he has
managed to acquire some astonishing supportive evidence. Like
Scully, he is unwilling to divulge his sources, which inevitably lays
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 him open to charges of fabrication. Steinman discovered that the
Aztec disk came to earth on 25 March 1948, having been detected
by three separate radar units in the southwest, one of which was said
to have disrupted the craft's control mechanism. The area of impact
was calculated by triangulation and this information was immediately
relayed to Air Defense Command and Gen. George C. Marshall, then
Secretary of State, who allegedly contacted the MJ-12 group as well
as the Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) of the Army
Counterintelligence Directorate. The IPU operated out of Camp Hale,
Colorado, at this time, Steinman claims, and its main function was to
collect and deliver disabled or crashed disks to certain specified
secret locations. The craft was recovered within hours by the IPU
scout team about 12 miles northeast of Aztec. General Marshall
ordered Air Defense Command to go off alert status, and the radar
units were advised that there had been a false alarm. Marshall then
gave orders to the commander of the IPU to organize a recovery
team and contacted Dr. Vannevar Bush - the. head of MJ-12 to
gather together a team of scientists to accompany the IPU to the
crash site. Steinman has named these scientists as follows: 

Dr., Lloyd Berkner, Dr. Detlev Bronk, Dr. Carl A. Heiland, Dr. Jerome
Hunsaker, Dr. John von Neumann, Dr. Robert J. Oppenheimer, Dr.
Merle A. Tuve, Dr. Horace B. van Vandenberg. 
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original MJ-12 panel set up in September 1947. Dr. Carl A. Heiland
was a geophysicist and magnetic sciences expert who was the head
of the Colorado School of Mines, and according to Steinman leaked
details of the recovery to one of Scully's sources, Leo GeBauer. Dr.
Horace B. van Vandenberg was an inorganic chemist associated with
the University of Colorado. Dr. Merle A. Tuve worked for the Office of
Scientific Research and Development during World War II, and is
chiefly remembered as a geophysicist for his techniques of radio
wave propagation of the upper atmosphere. Dr. Robert J.
Oppenheimer distinguished himself primarily as leader of the Los
Alamos atomic bomb project , commanding the allegiance of the
world's top physicists. He was the Director of the Institute of
Advanced Studies at Princeton from 1947 and became Chairman of
the General Advisory Committee of the Atomic Energy Commission.
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 Dr. John von Neumann, the famous Hungarian born mathematician,
became a consultant on the atomic bomb (Manhatten Project) in
1943. His main area of expertise lay in the design and development
of computers. The scientists, according to Steinman, were told by Dr.
Bush to assemble at Durango Airfield, Colorado, 35 miles to the
north of Aztec, with the minimum delay. All those involved in the
recovery were sworn to an above top secret oath. 

The IPU convoy used a route to the site that avoided main roads, and
on arrival road blocks were set up at strategic points within two miles
of the recovery area. The owner of a ranch and his family were
allegedly held incommunicado and told never to discuss the matter
(cf. the Roswell incident). Equipment hauling trucks were
camouflaged to look like oil drilling rigs during the operation. 

Inside the Craft 

A team of scientists arrived at the site a little later than the IPU team
and began dissecting the disk. According to Steinman, they entered
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 the craft one by one, entry having been gained via a fractured
porthole as described in Scully's account. The portholes themselves
looked metallic and only appeared translucent on close inspection.
Inside the craft they found two humanoids, about two feet in height,
slumped over an instrument panel charred deep brown. Another 12
bodies lay sprawled on the floor in chamber within the cabin, making
a total of 14 bodies (not 16 as Scully had been told). 

An instrument panel supposedly had several pushbuttons and levers

with hieroglyphic-type symbols, as well as symbols illuminated on
small display screens. Bush and von Neumann discovered that the
control panel had drawers which rolled out, but no wiring could be
detected. A book composed of parchment-like leaves with the
texture of plastic also contained the strange hieroglyphs - similar to
Sanskrit, Oppenheimer thought. This was given to General Marshall,
who then passed it on to two leading cryptological experts for
analysis, William F. Friedman and Lambros C. Callihamos (who both
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 later led distinguished careers in the National Security Agency). 

Dr. Bronk, a physiologist and biophysicist, examined the bodies and

asked Bush to get hold of cryogenic equipment with which to
preserve them. Cryogenics specialist Dr. Paul A. Scherer, a colleague
of Bush's, was contacted and advised Bush to obtain some dry ice.
Meanwhile, another small group of scientists and military personnel
examined the craft and were eventually able to dismantle it when
several interlocking key devices were found which opened up seams
at specific points. 

Three days later the segments were loaded onto three trucks,
together with the bodies, and transported with a tarpaulin marked
"Explosives". The convoy headed at night by the least conspicuous
and often most laborious route to the restricted Naval Auxiliary
Airfield Complex at Los Alamos, arriving one week later. Here they
remained for over a year, Steinman claims, before being transported
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 to another base. 

The Bodies 

Dr. Paul A. Scherer eventually obtained special preservation

containers for the least damaged bodies, Steinman relates. One of
the companies which supplied equipment was the Air Research
Corporation, of which Scherer was Director of Research and
Development; it supplied the liquid nitrogen pump, circulation
system and refrigeration units. Other specimens were given a
complete autopsy, by a team headed by Dr. Bronk, of biophysicists,
histochemists and pathologists. The results were put in a report, part
of which, Steinman claims, appeared in the "Air Force Project Sign
(Grudge) Report No. 13" which has never been released. 

According to the report, the bodies were described as averaging 42

inches in length. The facial features strongly resembled "mongoloid
Orientals" in appearance, with disproportionately large heads, large
"slant" eyes, small noses and mouths. The average weight was
about 40 pounds. The torsos were very small and thin, with very thin
necks. The arms were long and slender, reaching the knees, with
hands containing long and slender fingers with webbing between
them. There was no digestive or gastrointestinal tract, no alimentary
or intestinal canal, and no rectal point. No reproductive organs were
apparent. Instead of blood there was a colorless liquid with no red
cells which smelled similar to ozone. 

Further Evidence 

Veteran researcher Leonard Stringfield, a former Air Force

intelligence officer who is the world's leading specialist on what he
calls "Retrievals of the Third Kind," shares my misgivings about some
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 of the material in Steinman's book, but we are both impressed with
his extensive research into the Aztec case. Stringfield has uncovered
further evidence himself. Captain V. A. Postlethwait, who was on
detached service with Army G-2 (Intelligence) in 1948, told
Stringfield that he was cleared to see a top secret cable describing
the crash of a saucer-shaped craft 100 feet in diameter and 30 feet
high, with one porthole broken, causing suffocation to the five
occupants - who had turned blue as a result. The bodies were about
four feet tall with relatively large heads, Postlethwait recollects. The
metallic skin of the saucer was too tough to penetrate, although as
thin as newspaper. The incident was said to have occurred near
White Sands, New Mexico. Aside from a few discrepancies there are
some significant parallels with the Aztec case. Postlethwait revealed
to Stringfield, for example, that private property was purchased to
facilitate transporting the craft. 

Leonard Stringfield has also spoken with Dr. Robert Spencer Carr, a
retired University of South Florida professor who claims to have
testimonial evidence from five sources, including a nurse and a high-
ranking Air Force officer who participated in the recovery of a
crashed UFO and occupants in 1948 - presumed to be the one at
Aztec (although there was another alleged recovery that year, just
across the Mexican border near Laredo, Texas). In 1982 Stringfield
asked Carr to disclose the name of his principal source, "on the
premise that our ages give us little time tolerance in our search for
truth." 

"When Professor Carr named his source," says Stringfield, "I sat
back dumbfounded. I knew his name well in research, and recalled
some of his comments on UFOs while he served as an Air Force
officer. . . . "Please, Len," pleaded Carr, "keep the name to yourself;
please spare me any trouble as long as I live . . . My key witness
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 participated in the 1948 retrieval and saw alien bodies on location." 

According to Bill Steinman, two of Carr's sources were aeronautical

engineers who provided important information regarding the
saucer's construction and propulsion. A source now named is Arthur
Bray (not to be confused with the Canadian researcher), a security
guard involved with the recovery project. Carr also interviewed a
woman whose father was present during the recovery. Information
pertaining to the flying saucers must be suppressed, he told his
daughter. "If news of this vehicle's water-driven engine got out to the
whole scientific community, that would be the end of the oil
industry." The comment is of course pure hearsay, but if there is any
truth in it a further possible reason for the cover-up is brought to
light. 

At the still fenced-off crash site on a plateau twelve miles northeast

of Aztec, Bill Steinman has uncovered charred and scraped-off rocks
of various sizes as well as some metal bracing struts that might
possibly have been used for supporting the craft. On one of his visits
to the area he was shadowed by two unmarked helicopters. 

As for George Bowra's claim that no one in Aztec, could recall the
incident, Steinman has traced at least four people who knew where
the crash site was located, one of whom, "V.A.," recalls that
sometime between 1948 and 1950 a huge disk-shaped flying object
with a dome on top skimmed about 100 feet above the ground not
far from him. The witness pointed out to Steinman a cliff jutting
above the Animas River. 

"That thing, or flying saucer, tried hard to clear that cliff, but it hit the
very corner up there, shooting sparks and rocks in every direction,"
he claims. "Finally, it made a right-angle turn in midair and headed
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 straight north in the direction of the alleged crash site at Hart
Canyon. That's the last I saw of it. I ran into the house and called the
military in Albuquerque. I never heard from them about it." 

Steinman first became interested in UFOs in 1981 when he read

Frank Scully's book, and has since devoted much of his time and
resources on the Aztec case and the other recoveries associated
with Scully's claims, often in the face of discouraging odds.
Steinman's job in quality assurance and analysis in the aerospace
industry has aided him in probing the complex and intricate leads
that he has pursued. 

Writing in the foreword to Steinman's book, UFO Crash at Aztec,

Leonard Stringfield explains how, like many others, he was led to
believe the Scully story was a hoax, his disbelief long being
conditioned by a succession of ufologists who for years claimed that
Scully "was duped by a scheming Silas Newton and his cohort, Leo
Gebauer." But now, thanks to Bill Steinman's painstaking research
(as well as some of his own leads), he has been obliged to reevaluate
the evidence. 
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Roswell, New Mexico UFO Incident Crash and Recovery of July 3,

1947

Source: Roswell Online

Brief overview article on the Roswell incident, from Roswell Online 

In early July 1947 an incident occurred in the desert just outside of

Roswell, NM. Many people have heard of the Roswell UFO crash, but
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 very few people know the details of the incident. The following
account of the 1947 UFO incident was taken from public records,
from information provided by the International UFO Museum and
from the press release for UFO Encounter 1997. 

On the evening of July 3, 1947 Dan Wilmot, a respected business

owner, and his wife were sitting on their front porch when they saw a
bright saucer shaped object with glowing lights moving across they
sky at 400-500 miles per hour. Dan Wilmot estimated that the
unidentified flying object was about 20-25 feet across. The flying
object appeared from the Southeast and disappeared to the
Northwest. Dan Wilmot reported his unusual sighting to the Roswell
Daily Record. 

In early July W.W. (Mac) Brazel, the Foreman of the J. B. Foster

Ranch rode out to check his sheep after a night of intense
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 thunderstorms. Mac Brazel discovered a large amount of unusual
debris scattered across one of the ranch's pastures. Mac Brazel took
some pieces of the debris, showed them to some friends and
neighbors and eventually contacted Chaves County Sheriff George
Wilcox. Suspecting that the materials described by Mac Brazel might
be connected with military operations, Sheriff Wilcox notified
authorities at the Roswell Army Air Field (subsequently renamed
Walker AFB) for assistance in the matter. 
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 Major Jesse Marcel, the Intelligence Officer at the 509th Bomb
Group, was involved in the recovery of the wreckage which was
initially transported to Roswell Army Air Field. On July 8th the
Roswell Daily Record's headline story revealed that the wreckage of
a flying saucer had been recovered from a ranch in the area. When
questioned Major Jesse Marcel disclosed that the wreckage had
been flown from New Mexico on to higher headquarters. 
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 Colonel William Blanchard, Commander of the 509th Bomb Group,
issued a press release stating that the wreckage of a crashed disk
had been recovered. A second press release was issued from the
office of General Roger Ramey, Commander of the Eighth Air Force
at Ft. Worth Army Air Field in Ft. Worth, Texas within hours of the first
press release. The second press release rescinded the first press
release and claimed that officers of the 509th Bomb Group had
incorrectly identified a weather balloon and its radar reflector as a
crashed disk. 

The Ballard Funeral Home in Roswell had a contract to provide

ambulance and mortuary services for Roswell Army Air Field. Glenn
Dennis, a young Mortician who worked for Ballard Funeral Homes,
received several phone calls from the Mortuary Officer at the air field
prior to learning of the recovery of the wreckage. Glenn Dennis was
asked about the availability of small hermetically sealed caskets and
for his recommendations on the preservation of bodies that had
been exposed to the elements for several days. His curiosity
aroused, Glenn Dennis visited the Base Hospital that evening and
was forcibly escorted from the building. This behavior only incited
Glenn Dennis' curiosity and he arranged to meet a nurse from the
Base Hospital on the following day in a coffee house. The nurse had
been in attendance during autopsies performed on "... several small
non-human bodies ...". Glenn Dennis kept drawings of aliens that the
nurse had sketched on a napkin during their meeting. This meeting
was to be their last and Glenn Dennis could learn no more about the
alien bodies, as the nurse was abruptly transferred to England within
the next few days. 
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 On July 9th the Roswell Daily Record revealed that the wreckage had
been found on the J.B. Foster Ranch. Mac Brazel was so harassed
that he became sorry he had ever reported his find to the Chaves
County Sheriff. 

In the following days virtually every witness to the crash wreckage

and the subsequent recovery efforts was either abruptly transferred
or seemed to disappear from the face of the earth. This led to
suspicions that an extraordinary event was the subject of a
deliberate government coverup. Over the years books, interviews
and articles from a number of military personnel, who had been
involved with the incident, have added to the suspicions of a
deliberate coverup. 

In 1979 Jesse Marcel was interviewed regarding his role in the

recovery of the wreckage. Jesse Marcel stated, "... it would not burn
... that stuff weighs nothing, it's so thin, it isn't any thicker than the
tinfoil in a pack of cigarettes. It wouldn't bend. We even tried making
a dent in it with a 16 pound sledge hammer. And there was still no
dent in it." Officers who had been stationed at Wright Field in Dayton,
Ohio (where the wreckage was taken) at the time of the incident
have supported Jesse Marcel's claims. 

Dr. Jesse Marcel, Jr., eleven years old at the time of the incident,
accompanied his Dad during the retrieval efforts. Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr.
has produced detailed drawings of hieroglyphic like symbols that he
saw on the surface of some of the wreckage. Dr Marcel testifies
regularly on his belief that a UFO of some type crashed in Roswell. 
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The 'Alien Autopsy' Film, Socorro, NM 1947 UFO Crash

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 Source: Michael Hesemann, Nexus Magazine, 1996
From 'Alien Autopsy Update', by Philip Mantle 
September 22, 2001 

In 1995 London based businessman Ray Santilli caused what has

been arguably the biggest controversy in the entire history of UFO
research when he launched his 'Alien Autopsy' film across the front
pages of magazines and via the TV screen in over 20 different
countries. By far the most popular TV documentary made at the time
was the Fox Network's 'Alien Autopsy - Fact or Fiction?' which has
often been repeated on numerous cable and satellite stations. 

RECAP 

For those who are unaware of this controversial film, a brief recap
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 might be in order. London video producer Ray Santilli claimed that in
l992 he was in Cleveland, Ohio in the USA looking for vintage film
clips of rock-n-roll performers from the l950's. People like Elvis
Presley and Pat Boone were at the top of his list. Santilli claimed that
he met an elderly gentleman from who he purchased a rare clip of
the late Elvis live on stage. The elderly chap had filmed the piece
himself while working as a freelance cameraman in l950's. Shortly
before returning home Santilli was contacted by this elderly
cameraman again who this time had something different to offer. The
story he told was that prior to being a freelance cameraman he was a
cameraman with the US Army and in l947 he had been flown to
Roswell, New Mexico on a special assignment. Initially he was
informed that he was to film the crash of a Soviet spy plane but on
arrival it became clear that this was no Russian plane. Instead he
claimed to have filmed the UFO crash at Roswell in l947 and not only
that, but the actual autopsy of 2 of the dead aliens. 
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 Quite naturally Santilli was more than interested and at a later date
he visited the cameraman at his home to view this other footage. To
his amazement it did indeed appear to show the autopsy of an alien.
Santilli immediately agreed to buy the film for cash, the only other
condition being that he was never to reveal the identify of the
cameraman himself. Santilli, not having the amount of money
involved, reported to be around $150,000, but never confirmed,
eventually turned to his German business partner Volker Spielberg
for assistance. Over the next couple of years Santilli purchased the
film and transported it to the UK where it was transferred to video. In
l993 Santilli contacted myself to see if I might be able to assist in the
making of a UFO documentary. Eventually he told me of the film he
had purchased and his plans to commercialise it. It was not until
early l995 that I first saw any of the film. My wife Sue and I visited
Santilli's offices in London on several occasions to view the film. At
the time I was the conference organiser for the British UFO Research
Association (BUFORA) and already had a conference planned for
August l995. I asked Santilli if he would show the film at the
conference and he agreed to do so. 

In the meantime, after a private screening organised by Santilli in

London to an invited audience only, he set about selling the rights to
the film to a wide variety of publishers and TV companies around the
world. First to publish stills from the film was VSD in France and soon
copies were flying around the world via the internet. The day after
our conference in August l995 saw the film broadcast on TV around
the world. And the rest, they say, is history. 

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From: The Alien Autopsy Film: Facts vs Armchair Research 

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 Michael Hesemann, Nexus Magazine, Volume 3, #6 (Oct-Nov '96) 

THE 'ROSWELL FOOTAGE' RELEASE 

About a year and a half ago, on 5th May 1995, the London-based
film producer Ray Santilli for the first time presented his alleged alien
autopsy footage to an audience of invited media representatives and
UFO researchers at the London Museum. Even before that date, a
very emotional debate had already started. Angry ufologists had
challenged Santilli to shut up or work together with them, while
others had claimed from the very beginning that the film is a hoax
just because it doesn't fit into their concept of what happened in
New Mexico in the summer of 1947. 

Santilli's marketing policy, his commercial exploitation of the film, his

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 ignorance in the UFO field and his violation of all the unwritten
protocols of the UFO community didn't find many friends among
ufologists, and quite soon many screamed "Hoax!" without being
able to prove anything. One researcher even concluded, "There is no
[16 mm] film and no cameraman", after quoting page after page of all
the rumours, second- and third-hand information and
inconsistencies among Santilli's claims (or alleged claims), to prove
that he was right from the very beginning when he suspected a
scam, because the being on the autopsy table looked "too humanoid
to be an extraterrestrial", yet ignoring that this is exactly how most
eyewitnesses describe crashed ufonauts.1 

Unfortunately, those who searched for the truth, wherever it might

be, were few in number. Willing to listen to Santilli first, before they
judged and checked out the information they could get before asking
for more, were mainly Philip Mantle (UK), Bob Shell (USA) and
Michael Hesemann (Germany)-the International Research Team
(IRT)-joined by Maurizio Baiata and Roberto Pinotti (Italy), Johannes
Baron of Buttlar (Germany), Odd-Gunnar Roed (Norway), Hanspeter
Wachter (Switzerland), Col. Colman VonKeviczky, Dr Bruce
Maccabee, Joe Stefula, Lt. Col. W. C. Stevens, Ted Loman, Robert
Morning Sky, Llewellyan Wykel and Dennis Murphy (USA), and
others. 
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 Let me point out that we found Ray Santilli always very friendly,
helpful and cooperative although sometimes limited in his actions by
agreements with his business partners and the cameraman. I wonder
if any 'major international media corporation' would ever have been
even nearly as open to any reasonable research approach as Mr
Santilli indeed was. The following is a summary of results from the
IRT's first year of investigation. 
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 THE CAMERAMAN 

Yes, there is a cameraman. We located people, besides Santilli, who

had spoken to him over the phone: Gary Shoefield of Polygram,
Philip Mantle, John Purdie of Channel Four (UK) and the secretary of
David Roehring of Fox Network, USA. He is American, an old man,
and lives in Florida. He was in hospital when Gary Shoefield wanted
to meet him, and was coughing when Philip Mantle had him on the
phone. According to his story he had polio as a child.2 Polio victims
at that time mostly walked with a limp. He could not have had a bad
hand, otherwise he could not have worked as a cameraman, but
maybe he had a bad leg. The movement of the cameraman in the
film indicates this, since he doesn't move smoothly. Bob Shell
enquired among senior US military cameramen if they could
remember a colleague from the 1940s with a bad leg. They knew
one. His name is Jack "X", and he is exactly the age claimed for the
Santilli cameraman: eighty-six.3 

The cameraman is not Jack Barnett-a name used originally by Santilli

to protect the identity of the true cameraman. Jack Barnett worked
for Universal News, filmed Elvis Presley at a high-school concert in
1955 and died in 1969. Jack X did not work for Universal, but filmed
Elvis at another concert, an open-air one, when the Universal
cameramen were on strike.4 The cameraman agreed to be
interviewed by a major US TV network.5 

In April 1996 Bob Shell was contacted by the US Air Force following
an enquiry from President Clinton's scientific adviser, Dr John
Gibbons. The USAF Captain told Shell that they had located footage
from the same stock in their archives and verified that at least part of
the Santilli material is genuine, and shows no dummy and no human.
They knew the cameraman's name-Jack X-but asked Shell to
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 forward an address, since the military records building in St Louis
had had a fire and many records had been lost. A search would be
time-consuming and expensive.6 

When we asked for details about the crash site, we became

convinced that the cameraman indeed has an excellent knowledge
of the area in question. With Ray Santilli as the intermediary-and
Santilli did not know anything about the area in question and insisted
on calling Socorro "Sorocco"-he even described a ruined bridge that
we could locate only on our third visit to the area. He knew exactly
what he was talking about. 

Although some have criticised the cameraman's technique in the

autopsy film, other military cameraman think this is exactly the way
they, too, would have filmed it. 

"The cameraman keeps moving to get out of the way of the surgeon
and keeps trying to get the best perspective. The job of an army
cameraman is to record a procedure on film, not to deliver beautiful
pictures. And that, here, is an adequate filmic protocol," said Dr
Roderick Ryan, US Navy cameraman during the '40s and '50s who
filmed many secret government projects including the atomic tests
on Bikini Atoll.7 

"Among these circumstances, no one could have made a better

job...he was not only a well-educated and experienced movie man,
but, additionally, in full knowledge of editing and production of
documentaries. Evidence: filming the autopsy activities from various
view angles," said Col. Colman VonKeviczky, who studied at the UFA
Film Academy in Berlin Babelsberg, was head of the audiovisual
division of the Royal Hungarian General Staff, cameraman and
director of the 3rd US Army at Heidelberg and member of the
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 audiovisual department of the United Nations in New York.8 

THE FILM STOCK 

Careful study of stills made from the original film and high-quality
Betacam copies confirmed that the film was indeed shot on 16-mm
material. The camera handling seen on the autopsy film indicates the
use of a small, lightweight camera with fixed lenses (therefore, the
out-of-focus close-ups), like the 16-mm Bell & Howell Filmo Camera
used by US military cameramen in the '40s-the camera the
cameraman claims he used.9 

Leaders of 16 mm film were sent to Kodak Hollywood, London and

Copenhagen and turned out to bear the symbols (a square and a
triangle) used by Kodak either in 1947 or in 1967.10 

Two segments with three frames each, one clearly showing the
autopsy room, were given to Bob Shell, editor of Shutterbug
magazine and also a phototechnical consultant for the FBI and the
US courts. After a careful physical analysis, Shell confirmed the
segments to be pre-1956 16-mm film. In 1956 Kodak changed its
film-base from acetate-propionate to triacetate, and the samples
were clearly on acetate-propionate film. The film type was Super XX-
Panchromatic Safety Film, a high-speed film used for indoor filming
but which had a life-span of no more than two years, when cosmic
radiation would cause a 'fogging' of the material. Shell is sure the
film was exposed and developed within two years. This, at least,
dates the film as pre-1958.11 

THE EQUIPMENT & OBJECTS IN THE AUTOPSY ROOM 

Everything in the film dates to the time in question. The telephone is

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 an AT& model from 1946,12 and spiral cables had been optional
since 1938 and standard for US Army telephones.13 The wall clock is
a model on the market since 1938,14 and the microphone is a 1946
Sheer Bros mike.15 The table with the instruments was standard
equipment for a pathologist, as confirmed by Prof. Cyril Wecht, ex-
President of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences.16 The
bone hammer was not unusual; nor was the Bunsen burner which, in
autopsies, served the purpose of burning away body fat. 

THE BODY 

The corpse on the autopsy table has been the subject of many
disputes as to whether it is a dummy, a girl with a genetic disorder or,
indeed, an alien. Nearly all special effects (FX) experts concluded
that it is certainly possible to fake footage of a realistic-looking
autopsy. There have been many concerns about 'snuff' movies and
the origin of the corpses used in them. South America had been
named as a possible origin, but reports from there have indicated the
use of very realistic dummies. However, no one has found any
evidence of special effects being used in this autopsy film-although
today, unquestionably, nearly everything can be faked with the latest
state-of-the-art FX techniques.17 

On the other hand, pathologists and physicians from all over the
world who saw the film were pretty sure the body was not a dummy,
but actually a corpse-human or humanoid. 

It is indisputable that some of the characteristics of different genetic

disorders can be found in the being on the autopsy table-mostly
disorders such as Turner's syndrome or progeria, combined with
polydactylism (which is not a typical element of Turner's syndrome,
although possible in combination with it) and other anomalies. This
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 prompted a German dermatologist, Dr T. Jansen of the Policlinic of
the University of Munich, to publish a study in a medical journal,
trying to prove that the body is that of a girl who died from a rare
form of progeria.18 On the other hand, he forgot to explain why there
could be two girls with identical symptoms including polydactylism,
when progeria is so rare that there are only 20 cases worldwide.
Unfortunately, the only case of Turner's syndrome twins, although
obviously documented on film, was never published in the medical
literature. 

Indeed, Dr Jansen's 'findings' do not explain the extreme

precautions taken when the autopsy was performed, i.e., why would
the team have worn bio-hazard protection suits if the body had a
genetic disorder, and why would the being have been fitted with
black eye-lenses? Although Dr Jansen diagnosed a stroke (common
for progeria patients) as the cause of death, this does not explain the
damaged right leg, the broken and swollen left leg, the cut-off right
hand and a bruise at the left temple with a possible bullet wound.
Should we assume that our creature broke its legs, cut its right hand
and shot a bullet in its head before it died from a stroke? 

More than that, Jansen's explanation for the missing navel couldn't
convince us, either. To quote Dr Jansen, "It's like if you put up an
umbrella: the unevenness disappears."19 

On the other hand, quite a number of pathologists concluded that

the being was not human at all, since its inner organs were like
nothing they had ever seen: 

Prof. Christopher Milroy, Home Office Pathologist, University of

Sheffield, UK: "Although a close-up of the brain was shown, it was
again out of focus. However, the appearance was not that of a
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 human brain."20 

Prof. Mihatsch, University of Basle, Switzerland: "As for the organs

removed, they could not be tallied with any human organs."21 

Prof. Cyril Wecht, Ex-President, American Academy of Forensic

Sciences, USA: "I can't place these structures in an abdominal
context... I find it difficult to bring in any connection with the human
body as I know it. The structure that must be the brain, if it were a
human being, does not look like a brain...it does not seem to be a
human being."22 

Dr Carsten Nygren, Oslo, Norway: "This is not a human brain. It

is...much too dark."23 

Prof. Pierluigi Baima Bollone, University of Turin, Italy: "When we look

at the inner organs of the body we find no single organ that in any
way resembles any human organ. The main organ, which could be
the liver, has neither the shape nor the location of a human liver. The
face of the alleged extraterrestrial shows surprising anatomical
features: very big ocular orbits, a very flat nasal pyramid, a mouth
somehow wide open...nevertheless, the face is flat, there is no
evidence of facial musculature which is present in human beings and
is responsible for the large variety of facial expressions of the human
species... My overall impression is that we are dealing with a creature
that seems to belong to our species but is so clearly different from
us that it seems absurd to speculate about the similarity."24 

There was not a single physician or pathologist who, after watching

the full film, concluded it was a hoax or that the being on the table
was a dummy. They all agreed the corpse was of a living, biological
entity-human or not. 
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 THE PATHOLOGISTS 

According to the cameraman the autopsy was performed by "Dr

Bronk" and "Dr Williams". 

Prof. Dr Detlev Bronk (1897-1975) was no surprise, since his name

already appeared in the controversial "Majestic 12" documents. He
was Chairman of the National Research Council, America's leading
biophysicist and a member of the Advisory Committee of the Army,
Air Force and of the Atomic Energy Commission-certainly a person
to whom the supervision of an autopsy of this relevance could have
been entrusted. After his death, all his papers and documents were
preserved at the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research, of which
he was President from 1953.25 

Dr Bronk was a very methodical person, kept detailed diaries and all
his correspondence, notes and dates. But when Bob Shell wanted to
look through his papers and diaries for 1947, he learnt that,
mysteriously enough, this is the only year for which all the records
are missing. None of the friendly librarians could tell him what had
happened to them or why they are still missing.26 

Dr Williams might have been Dr Robert Parvin Williams (1891-1967),

who was Special Assistant to the Surgeon General of the Army at
Fort Monroe, Virginia. He was a Lt. Col. in 1947 and was promoted to
Brig. General in 1949.27 Alone, the naming of Dr Williams-who was
the right man in the right place for the task-indicates the cameraman
had some inside knowledge. 

[...] 
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 According to the cameraman, four living aliens were found at the
crash site. One did not survive the recovery operation, the second
and third died about four weeks later, and the fourth survived until
May 1949. 
We do not know anything about the autopsy of the first creature, and
it might very well have been that it was subjected to a 'big' scientific
autopsy. 

The cameraman filmed the second and third autopsies on 1st and
3rd July 1947, when the main concern might have been to find out
the cause of their sudden deaths in order to find a way to keep alien
no. 4 alive-unless they could establish communication and find out
why these visitors had come to Earth. This was surely of a higher
interest for the national defence forces than a scientific study of an
alien life-form. Nevertheless, we assume that organs were taken for
further study during the dissection. 

Furthermore, according to the cameraman, the fourth alien was

autopsied scientifically in a medical theatre in Washington, DC, in the
presence of leading scientists from the US, England and France.34 

ROSWELL OR SOCORRO? 

Ray Santilli's claim that the film was "the Roswell footage" caused a
lot of controversy, since none of the witnesses to the July 1947 UFO
crash/retrieval event had confirmed either the bodies or the debris.
Indeed, the corpses found in Roswell were smaller, more slender, and
had four or five fingers, according to eyewitnesses.51 None ever
mentioned six fingers. In any case, if the film were a fake, why did
those responsible for it not care to read at least one of the many
books on this subject or see the excellent TV mini-series, Roswell, by
Paul Davies, as shown on Showtime? 
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 The very first information I got from Santilli about the source of the
film made me wonder if it actually had anything to do with Roswell at
all. Ray already insisted on 5th May 1995 that the autopsies had
been filmed on 1st and 2nd July 1947, and that the recovery had
taken place "in the beginning of June"-one month too early for
Roswell. 

When I went to Roswell on 30th June 1995 to confront the

eyewitnesses (including Robert Shirkey, Glenn Dennis and Frank
Kaufmann) with the just-released stills from the film, I asked Santilli
for details about the crash site. He could only tell me it was "about
four-and-a-half hours away", "close to White Sands test site" and
"an Apache reservation", and "at the northern shore of a small dry
lake at the end of a small canyon". I asked him to call the cameraman
to obtain more detailed instructions, which, indeed, he did. He said
the crash site was "between Socorro" (Ray said "Sorocco") "and
Magdalena". 

By the end of July 1995, Santilli released the full story of the
cameraman who confirmed he had learnt of the crash on 1st June
1947-which dates the event back to the late hours of 31st May 1947.
Date, location and everything we see on the film didn't fit with
Roswell. Conclusion: it was a different event. 

The fact that the cameraman had been flown into Roswell and
brought to the crash site by car, caused him to believe he'd been
involved in "the Roswell incident" that he'd heard about-and Santilli
believed him. 

CONCLUSION 
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 While nobody has been able to present any proof that the Santilli
autopsy footage was faked, we have some convincing indications
that the film might very well be genuine. If it is a hoax, it is definitely
the most ingenious fake of the century. 

Instead of continuing the polemic of the last year or so, serious UFO
researchers should continue to evaluate the evidence and search for
the truth, in what might turn out to be the most provocative proof yet
that we are not alone in the Universe. 

===============================================

New Mexico UFO Crash Encounter In August 16, 1945

Source: Ben Moffett, The Mountain Mail, Socorro NM, Nov. 2, 2003
New Mexico UFO Crash Encounter In 1945 
By Ben Moffett, ©. 2003 The Mountain Mail - Socorro, NM, 11-2-3 
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 Part 1 

Just before dawn on July 16, 1945, scientists detonated the world's
first atomic bomb at Trinity Site, some 20 miles southeast of San
Antonio, N.M. Three weeks later, on August 6 and 9, the United
States brought World War II to a dramatic end by using the bomb to
destroy the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 
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 On August 6, the world first learned that the Trinity event, which had
frightened San Antonioans witless, was not "an ammunition
magazine containing high explosives and pyrotechnics" as the
military had reported. It was an atomic bomb, "death, the destroyer
of worlds," in the words of project physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer. 

It was in this crucible of suspicion and disinterest bred by familiarity

that a small contingent of the U.S. Army passed almost unnoticed
through San Antonio in mid-to-late August, 1945 on a secret
assignment. 

Little or nothing has been printed about the mission, shrouded in the
"hush-hush" atmosphere of the time. But the military detail
apparently came from White Sands Proving Grounds to the east
where the bomb was exploded. It was a recovery operation destined
for the mesquite and greasewood desert west of Old US-85, at what
is now Milepost 139, the San Antonio exit of Interstate 25. 

Over the course of several days, soldiers in Army fatigues loaded the
shattered remains of a flying apparatus onto a huge flatbed truck
and hauled it away. 

That such an operation took place between about Aug. 20 and Aug.
25, 1945, there is no doubt, insist two former San Antonioans,
Remigio Baca and Jose Padilla, eyewitnesses to the event. 

Padilla, then age 9, and Baca, 7, secretly watched much of the

soldiers' recovery work from a nearby ridge. Their keen interest
stemmed from being the first to reach the crash site. 

What they saw was a long, wide gash in the earth, with a
manufactured object lying cockeyed and partially buried at the end
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 of it, surrounding by a large field of debris. They believed then, and
believe today, that the object was occupied by distinctly non-human
life forms which were alive and moving about on their arrival minutes
after the crash. 

They reported their findings to Jose's father, Faustino Padilla, on

whose ranch the craft had crashed. Shortly thereafter, Faustino
received a military visitor asking for permission to remove it. 

During their school years, Jose and Remegio, best friends, would
sometimes whisper about the events of that August, which occurred
before any of the other mysterious UFO incidents in New Mexico, but
they didn't talk to others about it on the advice of their parents and a
state policeman friend. 

The significance of what they saw, however, grew in their eyes over
time as tales of UFOs and flying saucers multiplied across the
country, especially in a ban across central New Mexico. 

Among the most prominent was Socorro police officer Lonnie

Zamora's April 24, 1964 on-duty report of a "manned" UFO just
south of Socorro, less than 10 miles north of the heretofore
unnoticed 1945 Padilla Ranch crash. 

Jose and Remigio were long gone from the area by the time UFOs
and flying saucers became news, and although both kept up with
Socorro County events, they lost contact and never discussed the
emerging phenomenon with each other. 

Reme moved to Tacoma, Wash., while still in high school and Jose to
Rowland Heights, Calif. Then, two years ago, after more than four
decades apart, they met by chance on the Internet while tracking
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 their ancestry. It was then their interest in the most intriguing event
of their childhood was rekindled. 

During one of the conversations, Remegio and Jose decided to tell

their story to veteran news reporter Ben Moffett, a classmate at San
Antonio Grade School who they knew shared their understanding of
the culture and ambience of San Antonio in the forties and fifties,
and who was familiar with the terrain, place names, and people. This
is their story as told to Moffett. 

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SAN ANTONIO, N.M. -- The pungent but pleasing aroma of

greasewood was in the air as Jose Padilla, age 9, and friend, Remigio
Baca, 7, set out on horseback one August morning in 1945 to find a
cow that had wandered off to calf. 
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 The scent of the greasewood, more often called creosote bush
today, caught their attention as they moved away from this tiny
settlement on their horses, Bolé and Dusty. The creosote scent is
evident only when it is moist, and its presence on the wind meant
rain somewhere nearby. 

So, as they worked the draws on the Padilla Ranch, they were
mindful of flash flooding which might occur in Walnut Creek, or side
arroyos, if there were a major thunderstorm upstream. Gully-washers
are not uncommon in late summer in the northern stretches of the
Chihuahuan Desert of central New Mexico, especially along the
foothills of the Magdalena Mountains looming to the west. 
Despite minor perils associated with being away from adults, it was a
routine outing for Jose and Reme. It was not odd to see youngsters
roam far afield doing chores during the war years. "I could ride
before I could walk," said Jose in a recent interview. "We were
expected to do our share of the work. Hunting down a cow for my
dad wasn't a bad job, even in the August heat." 

At length, they moved into terrain that seemed too rough for the
horses hooves, and Jose decided to tether them, minus bridles,
allowing them to graze. He had spotted a mesquite thicket, a likely
place for a wayward cow to give birth, and they set off across a field
of jagged rocks and cholla cactus to take a look. As they moved
along, grumbling about the thorns, the building thunderheads
decided to let go. They took refuge under a ledge above the
floodplain, protected somewhat from the lightning strikes that
suddenly peppered the area. 

The storm quickly passed and as they again moved out, another
brilliant light, accompanying by a crunching sound shook the ground
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 around them. It was not at all like thunder. Another experiment at
White Sands? No, it seemed too close. "We thought it came from the
next canyon, adjacent to Walnut Creek, and as we moved in that
direction, we hear a cow in a clump of mesquites," said Reme. Sure
enough, it was the Padilla cow, licking a white face calf.

A quick check revealed the calf to be healthy and nursing, and the
boys decided to reward themselves with a small lunch Jose had
sacked, a tortilla each, washed down with a few swigs from a
canteen, and an apple. 

As they munched, Jose noticed smoke coming from a draw adjacent

to Walnut Creek, a main tributary from the mountains to the Rio
Grande. 

Ignoring their task at hand, the two boys headed toward it, and what
they saw as they topped a rise "stopped us dead in our tracks,"
Reme remembers. "There was a gouge in the earth as long as a
football field, and a circular object at the end of it." It was "barely
visible," he said, through a field of smoke. "It was the color of the old
pot my mother was always trying to shine up, a dull metallic color." 

They moved closer and found the heat from the wreckage and
burning greasewood to be intense. "You could feel it through the
soles of your shoes," said Reme. "It was still humid from the rain,
stifling, and it was hard to get close." 

They retreated briefly to talk things over, cool off, sip from the
canteen and collect their nerve, worried there might be casualties in
the wreckage. 

Then they headed back toward the site. That's when things really got
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 eerie. Waiting for the heat to diminish, they began examining the
remnants at the periphery of a huge litter field. Reme picked up a
piece of thin, shiny material that he says reminded him of "the tin foil
in the old olive green Phillip Morris cigarette packs." 

"It was folded up and lodged underneath a rock, apparently pinned

there during the collision," said Reme. "When I freed it, it unfolded all
by itself. I refolded it, and it spread itself out again." Reme put it in his
pocket. 

Finally they were able to work their way to within yards of the
wreckage, fearing the worst and not quite ready for it. "I had my hand
over my face, peeking through my fingers," Reme recalled. "Jose,
being older, seemed to be able to handle it better." 

As they approached they saw, thought they saw, yes, definitely DID
see movement in the main part of the craft. 

"Strange looking creatures were moving around inside," said Reme.

"They looked under stress. They moved fast, as if they were able to
will themselves from one position to another in an instant. They were
shadowy and expressionless, but definitely living beings." 

Reme wanted no part of whoever, whatever was inside. "Jose wasn't

afraid of much, but I told him we should get out of there. I remember
we felt concern for the creatures. They seemed like us-children, not
dangerous. But we were scared and exhausted. Besides it was
getting late." 

The boys backtracked, ignoring the cow and calf. It was a little after
dusk when they climbed on their horses, and dark when they
reached the Padilla home. 
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 Faustino Padilla asked about the cow, and got a quick report. "And
we found something else," Jose said, and the story poured out,
quickly and almost incoherently. "It's kind of hard to explain, but it
was long and round, and there was a big gouge in the dirt and there
were these hombrecitos (little guys)." 

Their tale unfolded as Jose's father listened patiently. "They were

running back and forth, looking desperate. They were like children.
They didn't have hair," Jose said 

"We'll check it out in a day or two," Faustino said, unalarmed and

apparently not worried in the least about survivors or medical
emergencies. "It must be something the military lost and we
shouldn't disturb it. Leave your horse here, Reme, and Jose and I will
drive you home, since it's so late." 

Two days later at about noon, state policeman Eddie Apodaca, a

family friend who had been summons by Faustino, arrived at the
Padilla home. Jose and Reme directed Apodoca and Jose's dad
toward the crash site in two vehicles, a pick-up and a state police
car. When they could drive no further, they parked and hiked to the
hillside where the boys had initially spotted the wreckage. 

As they topped the ridge, they noted the cow and calf had moved on,
probably headed for home pasture, then they walked the short
distance to the overlook. For a second time, Jose and Reme are
dumbfounded. 

The wreckage was nowhere to be seen. 

"What could have happened to it?" Reme asked. 

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 "Somebody must have taken it," Jose responded defensively. 

Apodoca and Faustino stared intently but unaccusingly at Jose and

Reme, trying to understand. They headed down the canyon
nonetheless, and suddenly, "as if by magic," in Reme's words, the
object reappeared. 

"From the top of the hill, it blended into the surroundings," Reme
explained recently. "The sun was at a different angle, and the object
had dirt and debris over it," which he speculated may have been put
there by someone after the crash. 

Apodoca and Faustino led the way to the craft, then climbed inside
while Jose and Reme were ordered to stay a short distance away. "I
can't see the hombrecitos," Reme offered. 

"No," replies Jose. "But look at these marks on the ground, like when
you drag a rake over it." 
"The huge field of litter had been cleaned up," Reme recalled. "Who
did it, and when, I have no idea. Was it the military? Using a
helicopter? Or the occupants?" 

The main body of the craft, however, remained in place with odd
pieces dangling everywhere. 

Now it was time for the adults to lecture Reme and Jose, Reme
remembers. "Listen carefully. Don't tell anyone about this," Reme
quoted Faustino as saying. "Reme, your dad just started working for
the government. He doesn't need to know anything about it. It might
cause him trouble." 
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 Faustino also worked for the government at Bosque del Apache
National Wildlife Refuge and the ranch itself was on leased federal
land. Faustino was a patriotic man and honest to a fault in his dealing
with the federal government, according to Jose. 

"The government calls them weather balloons," the state policeman

chipped in. "I'm here to help Faustino work out the recovery with the
government. They'll want this thing back." 

"But this isn't like the weather balloons we've seen before," said
Reme. "They were little, almost like a kite." 

"You're right, Reme. Este es un monstruso, que no Eddie?" Faustino

said. 

"Yeah, it's big for sure," the state policeman acknowledged. 

"And the hombrecitos?" Reme persisted. 

"Maybe you just thought you saw them," said Faustino. "Or maybe
somebody took them, or they just took off." 

Then they headed home. The cow and calf also grazed their way
back in a day or two. 

Next week: The story continues with the military's removal of the
wreckage, while Jose and Reme, equipped with binoculars, spy on
their every move, including the soldiers slipping off to the Owl Bar for
a little diversion. 

Jose and Reme also look back at the incident from the perspective of
time. Was the object that required a flatbed truck and an "L"
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 extension a weather balloon, or an alien craft from space or from
another dimension? 

The two men, now in their mid to late 60s, still have a piece of the
craft and know where other parts were buried by the military. 

Reme also speculates about how the 1945 incident fits in with the
many sightings that were later reported in a ban across central New
Mexico and elsewhere, giving rise to a UFO and "flying saucer"
phenomenon that is still debated today. 

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Part 2 

In mid August, 1945, before the term "flying saucer" was coined,
Remigio Baca, age 7, and Jose Padilla, 9, were first on the scene of
the crash of a strange object on the Padilla Ranch west of San
Antonio, a tiny village on the Rio Grande in central New Mexico. 

Both Remigio, or "Reme" as his friends called him, and Jose, believe
they saw "shadowy, childlike creatures" in the demolished, oblong,
circular craft when they arrived at the scene, well before anyone
else. 

The U.S. Army told the public nothing about it, and told the Padilla
family it was a "weather balloon," according to Reme and Jose, now
in their mid 60s. And the two men insist the Army went to great
lengths to keep the operation under wraps, even concocting a cover
story to mask their mop-up mission on the ranch. 

The recovery operation actually started two days after Reme, Jose,
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 Jose's father, Faustino, and state policeman Eddie Apodaca, a family
friend, visited the site on August 18, 1945. It was then that a Latino
sergeant named Avila arrived at the Padilla home in San Antonito, a
tiny southern extension of San Antonio. 

After some small talk, Sgt. Avila got down to business. According to
Reme's and Jose's recollection, and what they learned subsequently
from Faustino, the conversation went something like this: 

"As you may know, there's a weather balloon down on your property,"
Avila said. "We need to install a metal gate and grade a road to the
site to recover it. We'll have to tear down a part of the fence adjoining
the cattle guard." 

"Why can't you just go through the gate like everybody else?" asked
Faustino. 

"Well, the problem is that your cattle guard is about 10 feet wide, and
our tractor trailer can't begin to get through there," said the
sergeant. "We'll compensate you, of course." 

The sergeant also asked for a key to the gate until the military could
install its own. He also wanted help with security. "Can you make
sure nobody goes to the site unless they are authorized. And don't
tell anyone why we're here." 

"What should I tell them?" Faustino asked. 

"You can tell them the equipment is here because the government
needs to work a manganese mine west of here," the sergeant said. 

"That was to justify the presence of road-building equipment," said

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 Reme in a recent interview. "It wasn't until decades later, on the
Internet, that I learned the Army told a lot of fibs along about that
time. I found another manganese mine story was used to cover a
UFO incident on the west side of the Magdalenas near Datil in 1947,
about the time of the Roswell UFO incident." 

"I know for sure that the cover story was at least the second piece of
misinformation they gave out in a month," noted Reme, a former
Marine, chuckling and referencing the acknowledged false press
release used to cover the Trinity atom bomb explosion as the first. 

It wasn't long after the sergeant's departure that the Army was on
the scene with road building equipment. Long before the road was
graded, however, soldiers were at the site, carrying scraps of the
mangled airship to smaller vehicles that were able to immediately get
close to the scene. 

Although they were warned by their father to stay away from the
area, Jose, sometimes with Reme, and sharing a pair of binoculars,
watched from hiding as the military graded a road and soldiers
prepared for the flatbed's arrival. Jose actually made off with a
piece, which is still in their possession. 

"The work detail wasn't too efficient," said Reme, who noted from his
experience in the Marines that military parts had numbers and were
carefully catalogued. "The soldiers threw some of the pieces down a
crevice, so they wouldn't have to carry them," he said. "Then they
would kick dirt and rocks and brush over them to cover them up." 

According to Jose, four soldiers were stationed at the wreckage at all

times, with shift changes every 12 hours. "One stayed at a tent as a
guard and listened to the radio. I could hear the music. They'd work
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 for an hour and then lock the gate, climb in their pick-ups and go to
the Owl Café, where they'd look for girls. I know because one of my
(female) cousins who was there told me." 

Once the flatbed was in place, the soldiers used wenches to hoist
the intact portion of the wreckage in place. "They had to build an L-
shaped frame and tilt it to get it to fit into the tractor-trailer, because
it bulged out over one side," Jose said. "They finally cut a hole in the
fence at the gate that was 26 feet long to get it out." 

Off it went, shrouded under tarps, through San Antonio and

presumably to Stallion Site on what is today White Sands Missile
Range, where, according to Reme, it still may be today. 

** 

Was this clandestine operation undertaken to recover a weather

balloon? Or, as Jose and Reme contend, was it something far more
mysterious? 

"I think the term 'weather balloon' was a euphemism, a catch-all for
anything and everything that the government couldn't explain, said,
Reme. 

Reme and Jose knew about typical military weather balloons. "My
father and I found about seven of them before and after the 1945
crash," Jose remembers. "We always gathered them up and gave
them back to the military. They were nothing but silky material,
aluminum and wood, nothing like what we found in that arroyo in
1945." 

"Those weather balloons were not much more than big box kites,"
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 said Reme. "They sure couldn't gouge a hole in the ground.
Remember, in 1945, despite the bomb, we weren't all that
sophisticated. The Trinity Site bomb, Fat Man, was transported on a
railroad car to the site. Radar was primitive or non-existent in some
places. Maybe the military knew what they had, maybe they didn't,
maybe they couldn't say." 

Reme and Jose are convinced, and they say Faustino soon came to
join in their belief, that the object on the ranch was no mere weather
balloon, but an object of mystery. Faustino, however, had no interest
in challenging the status quo, nor did state policeman Apodaca,
whatever his beliefs were. 

And why would a mere sergeant be sent to negotiate with Faustino

Padilla on a mission that involved something more than a routine
weather balloon flight. "He wore sergeant stripes," Reme said. "That
doesn't necessarily mean he was a sergeant. And he was Latino. He
was sent to San Antonio because he could communicate with the
locals." 

Finally, why would the military allow such cavalier treatment of the
wreckage, if it were a foreign or alien craft with scientific value? 

"I don't know if they knew what they had," Reme said. "It was a fairly
crude craft with no parts numbers on it, and the piece we have, we
were told is not remarkably machined even for 1945. But there's
nothing that says aliens have to travel in remarkable spaceships. 

"Given what we know about distances in the universe, space travel

seems far-fetched, I'll grant you. Perhaps they got here by some
method we can't fathom and they manufactured a crude object here
to get around in this atmosphere. We hear about other dimensions,
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 and parallel universes. 

"I don't know much about those things. But I do know what I saw,
which was some unlikely looking creatures at the crash site. I know
that later other people in the area reported similar things. And I know
the government was interested in keeping it quiet." 

Reme has studied the UFO phenomenon in his spare time over the
years, especially as it pertained to New Mexico. "The military opened
the door at Roswell, and then they closed it," he said, referring to a
July, 1947 report by the Roswell Air Force Base information office
about the crash and recovery of a "flying disc" that they reported
had been bouncing around the sky. Then the base retreated by
reporting it was merely a "radar tracking balloon" that had been
recovered. 

Details of the Roswell event can be found in a 19-page Freedom of

Information Act request by the late New Mexico Congressman Steve
Schiff and released by the General Accounting Office July 28, 1995.
It can be found on the Internet at
http://www.conspire.com/ds/gao2.html).

The Roswell crash, which along with the sighting of a UFO south of
Socorro by city policeman Lonnie Zamora in 1964, are the two most
famous of a string of UFO reports over central New Mexico and in all
of UFO lore. 

From 1946 through 1949, 25 UFO sightings that "may have

contained extra-terrestrial life" were reported worldwide by the
Center for the Study of Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence. Of those, seven
came from New Mexico, including one near Magdalena (1946),
Socorro (1947), Roswell (actually near Corona), July 4, 1947, Plains
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 of San Agustin (Catron County), July 5, 1947, Aztec, 1948, White
Sands, 1949 and Roswell again, 1949. Another was in the pattern,
too, on the Hopi Reservation of Arizona in 1947. 

"There was a pattern of sightings and incidents in a ban across New

Mexico. Socorro and San Antonio are right at the center," notes
Reme. "Our 1945 sighting just adds to that base of information. It's
intriguing to say the least. If you were an eyewitness it becomes even
more intriguing." 

Reme and Jose are excited enough to tell their story after more than
55 years, even knowing the problems that plagued Lonnie Zamora
after his spotting a UFO near Socorro, less than 10 miles away, in
1964. 

Jose and Reme would like to see an excavation of the crevice where
a few odds and ends from their "alien craft" were tossed. The
crevice was recently covered up by a bulldozer doing flood control
work. 

And they'd like to have the part they have from the wreckage
examined more closely. They are not eager to surrender it to anyone,
however. "I've heard from others that if you give it up to the
government, you stand a good chance of not getting it back," Reme
said. 

A second piece, which Reme likened to the "tin foil in a cigarette

pack," is gone. "I used it to stop a leak in a brass pipe under a
windmill at our house in San Antonio in the early 50s," he said. "I
used it to fill the stripped threads on two pieces of pipe." 

Reme said he regrets using it now, but it was handy. "I kept in for
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 years in an old Prince Albert (tobacco) can in the pump house, and it
was the nearest thing available." Reme said the foil stopped the leak
in the pipe for years. The windmill is now gone and the property is no
longer owned by the family. 

Finally, Jose and Reme were asked why they decided to tell the tale
today, after nearly 60 years. 

"It's something you can never get out of your head," said Reme.
"When we saw it, we had never heard the term UFO, and 'flying
saucers' didn't become a part of the language until June of 1947
when a pilot named Kenneth Arnold reported nine objects in a
formation in the area of Mount Rainier. 

"We didn't invent this phenomenon," said Reme. "We experienced it.
Others have apparently had similar experiences. I believe Jose and I
have an obligation to add our information to the mix." 

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BIOS 

Remigio Baca of Gig, Harbor, Wash., was born in San Antonio in

October,1938, to Evarista Serna and Alejandro Baca. He attended
San Antonio Grade School and Socorro High until he transferred to
Stadium High in Tacoma, Wash., in his freshman year. 

Reme served in the Marines for six years during the Vietnam War,
worked as a tax compliance officer for the Washington Department
of Revenue, and was involved in Washington politics. A meeting with
Vernon Jordan, national chairman of the Urban League, encouraged
him to get into politics, which he did with enthusiasm. 
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 Reme was instrumental in the election of the famous scientist and
Nixon administration politician Dixy Ray Lee to the governorship of
Washington as a Democrat, and served on Ray's executive staff. 

In that role, he helped get qualified Latinos in administrative

positions in government. When Lee was defeated, Reme became an
insurance agent in Tacoma, moved to California for awhile as an
independent insurance broker in Oxnard, Santa Paula and Santa
Barbara, and retired in Gig Harbor, a suburb of Tacoma. 

He has been married for years to Virginia Tonan, a classical pianist

and teacher. 

He has been back to San Antonio many times, and has relatives in
Socorro County. 

Jose Padilla was born in San Antonito in November, 1936, to Faustino

and Maria Padilla, attended first San Antonito Grade School and then
San Antonio Grade School when San Antonito's school burned down.
He also attended the Luis Lopez Grade School for a time. He made
first communion with Reme Baca at the San Antonio Church. 

While at Socorro High he left to join the National Guard at age 13,
when very young children were allowed to sign up because of the
World War II death toll in the New Mexico Guard. After leaving San
Antonio, Jose continued guard duty in Van Nuyes Calif., Air National
Guard, and when the unit was activated, spent time in Korea. 

He married his wife, Olga, and served with the California Highway
Patrol for 32 years as a safety inspector. The Padillas have three
boys, including a son, Sam, who lives in Contreras, near La Joya, and
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 he has numerous relatives in Socorro and vicinity. 

(Rense.com Editor's note: Thanks to the Mountain Mail for allowing

us to run this piece by Ben Moffett. The newspaper, which covers
Socorro and Catron County in rural New Mexico, is rapidly gaining a
reputation as a "good news" newspaper with strong editorial pages
which come from both the left and the right, innovative pieces on
such locally controversial subjects as rooster fighting, gay rights,
and, yes, UFOs, and such locally important ones as birding, farming
and ranching.)

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UFO Crash and Retrieval in Missouri, 1941

Source: Excerpt from UFO Casebook (BJ Booth) 

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[excerpt from article by BJ Booth] 

One of the most mysterious stories of a crashed UFO with alien

bodies preceded the well know Roswell events by some six years.
This case was first brought to investigators by Leo Stringfield in his
book "UFO Crash / Retrievals: The Inner Sanctum." He opened a
tantalizing account of a military controlled UFO crash retrieval which
is still being researched today. The details of the case were sent to
him in a letter from one Charlette Mann, who related her minister-
grandfather's deathbed confession of being summoned to pray over
alien crash victims outside of Cape Girardeau, Missouri in the spring
of 1941. Reverend William Huffman had been an evangelist for many
years, but had taken the resident minister reigns of the Red Star
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 Baptist Church in early 1941. Church records corroborate his
employment there during the period in question. 

After receiving this call to duty, he was immediately driven the 10-15
mile journey to some woods outside of town. Upon arriving at the
scene of the crash, he saw policemen, fire department personnel,
FBI agents, and photographers already mulling through the
wreckage. He was soon asked to pray over three dead bodies. As he
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 began to take in the activity around the area, his curiosity was first
struck by the sight of the craft itself. 

Expecting a small plane of some type, he was shocked to see that

the craft was disc-shaped, and upon looking inside he saw
hieroglyphic-like symbols, indecipherable to him. He then was shown
the three victims, not human as expected, but small alien bodies with
large eyes, hardly a mouth or ears, and hairless. Immediately after
performing his duties, he was sworn to secrecy by military personnel
who had taken charge of the crash area. He witnessed these
warnings being given to others at the scene also. 

As he arrived back at his home at 1530 Main Street, he was still in a

state of mild shock, and could not keep his story from his wife Floy,
and his sons. This late night family discussion would spawn the story
that Charlette Mann would hear from her grandmother in 1984, as
she lay dying of cancer at Charlette's home while undergoing
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 radiation therapy. Charlette was told the story over the span of
several days, and although Charlette had heard bits and pieces of
this story before, she now demanded the full details. 

As her grandmother tolerated her last few days on this Earth,

Charlette knew it was now or never to find out everything she could
before this intriguing story was lost with the death of her
grandmother. She also learned that one of the members of her
grandfather's congregation, thought to be Garland D. Fronabarger,
had given him a photograph taken on the night of the crash. This
picture was of one of the dead aliens being help up by two men. 
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